thepureness Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Post your reference information here. Please note if posting artwork or photos you must either be the copyright holder or have the copyright holders permission to post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Massimo Tessitori's VVS research pages is a great place to go to if you like information on anything VVS related. Another place worthwhile is the sovietwarplanes forum. And if you like to model Yaks with a prop, this is a great place to go to - but it is in Russian. Cheers, Peter 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Nice find Peter You could use google translate for that Yak site: https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fairfield.narod.ru%2Fyak%2Fyak-1%2Fyak-1_color5.html&edit-text=&act=url For Russian ground forces (RKKA), this site might be useful http://www.armchairgeneral.com/rkkaww2/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPReggie Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 I know that everyone is referring to Akan Paints, and the pages listed above do have some great material on matching the Akan paint codes to the wartime colours, but is anyone aware of anywhere that does a comparison between the Akan colours, and those more readily available - Tamiya, Mr Hobby for example? The paint conversion chart I usually use does not have any Akan information http://www.paint4models.com/paintchart/paintconversionchart20100101g.html# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackG Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) Good site for Finnish vehicles, dealing with markings and colour: http://www.geocities.ws/finnmilpge/fmp_ps_camo.html regards, Jack Edited May 18, 2016 by JackG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thompson Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 (edited) Walkaround of Yak-1b located in Saratov, Russia: http://scalemodels.ru/modules/photo/viewcat_cid_198.html Note that, as it was originally "restored", this aircraft had incorrect (Yak-3!) wing root intakes; Yak-1 and Yak-1b had only one intake in the left wing root. This was roughly triangular on Yak-1 and circular on Yak-1b. The aircraft was re-restored in 2013, after these photos were taken (2007). I haven't seen detailed images of it since then; in the couple of shots posted on Sovietwarplanes.com, it appears the wing root intake has been corrected, FWIW; however, the restorers proceeded to repaint this precious artifact in bogus colours - supposedly green and brown, although the photo looks like two shades of green. Either way, it's wrong - the original dark green/black was correct. John Photo of Saratov Yak-1b in its current state: Edited May 30, 2016 by John Thompson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Thanks John. Very helpful indeed. Cheers, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbat Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 I know that everyone is referring to Akan Paints, and the pages listed above do have some great material on matching the Akan paint codes to the wartime colours, but is anyone aware of anywhere that does a comparison between the Akan colours, and those more readily available - Tamiya, Mr Hobby for example? The paint conversion chart I usually use does not have any Akan information http://www.paint4models.com/paintchart/paintconversionchart20100101g.html# The table of colours on Massimo Tessitori's page linked above lists a lot of FS values as well as the Akan numbers. Doesn't always help with that comparison site, but it's a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbat Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) Following discussion in a couple of threads about preferred equivalents for 4BO, the green for Soviet vehicles, this what the paint4models comparison website gave when I plugged in Sgt Squarehead’s choice of XF65 to see what it suggested for other paint ranges FS: 34083 - Air Force Forest Green Xtracrylix: 1215 - Grun RLM 80 Vallejo Model Colour: 894 - Cam Olive Green Vallejo Model Air: 17 - Russian Green Tamiya: XF65 - Field Grey I checked and there are no direct equivalents to either Humbrol or Mr Colour, but this should give you a start. Edited May 31, 2016 by Foxbat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crayons Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 (edited) In the Mr Color and the Aqueous Hobby Color range, you have several options. Mr Color according to their paint chart list numbers: 135 Russian Green (1) 136 Russian Green (2) Aqueous Hobby Color H80 Khaki Green (??) H303 Green FS34102 The ubiquitous "they" on several websites list Mr. Color 136 as the 4BO variant for the range, and the other "they" suggest Aqueous Hobby Color H303 for use as 4BO in that range. The latter (as far as I can tell) being based on the long held theory that FS34102 is the correct shade. H80 in the Hobby Color range, is the colour given by several model companies. Italeri list MM FS34079 as the colour of choice (for their ISU 152 model anyway). Which in the Mr. Color range is 309 and H309 in the Hobby Color range. Oh the pain of it all........ Edit: Additionally; after rummaging through the stash, Alan list Humbrol 114 for the green on their model of the BA-20. From what I understand, that colour has been discontinued. Edited June 5, 2016 by Crayons 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitestar12chris Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Hi all, heres my reference threads for two builds; both in 1/350 scale. Firstly U-479 type VIIC u-boat which saw action in the baltic, until finally sunk http://www.uboat.net/boats/u479.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-479 Secondly, Soviet submarine ShCh 303 which saw action in the baltic and survived the end of the war. http://www.uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/5050.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shchuka-class_submarine All the best Chris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbat Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 I have something in the pipeline for this GB that will need Panzer Grey paint. A quick Google suggests this colour is an even bigger can of worms than RLM shades. Is there anyone who regularly paints German armour who has a recommended paint or mix to try? Any of the major paint ranges will do. Andy Colour challenged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackG Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Tamiya's German Grey is as good as any. It really is a dark colour, and it is purposely so as this camouflage scheme was intended for vehicles parked in the shade. Many have changed this appearance to suit their 'artistic' needs, or to capture what they see in photos. Under a coat of dust, it absolutely does become light - so it's up to you if want to mix a lighter shade, or apply some weathering pigments to replicate dust. Bit of a good read here: http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/thread/1465146713/last-1465303889/View+Thread regards, Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Possibly useful for IL-2M3 (sic) builds: https://sobchak.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/il2cut.gif 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbat Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Tamiya's German Grey is as good as any. It really is a dark colour, and it is purposely so as this camouflage scheme was intended for vehicles parked in the shade. Many have changed this appearance to suit their 'artistic' needs, or to capture what they see in photos. Under a coat of dust, it absolutely does become light - so it's up to you if want to mix a lighter shade, or apply some weathering pigments to replicate dust. Bit of a good read here: http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/thread/1465146713/last-1465303889/View+Thread regards, Jack Thanks for the info. I've done some more digging based on that and the link you gave and got some Vallejo equivalent colours in the post. Panzer Vor!! as they say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 I usually mix pale blue and white into Panzergrau for scale effect and to give you some room for manuever with the weathering. Hard to say exactly how much lighter I make it for 1/72, but I'd guess the shadow would be 40% and the highlights maybe 60% lighter. If you use it neat in 1/100 it will look black, in 1/72 it will still be way too dark, just massively so.....Especially after a few washes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbat Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 It's for 1/72 and possibly 1/48 so I'll have a play before I commit. Want to keep it grey but modulate it a bit - I've used blue grey (Humbrol 27 rings a bell) in the past but a comment in my research that stood out asked why so many models looked like they belonged to the Kriegsmarine rather than the Heer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 As I said I'd lighten the Panzergrau to taste rather than substitute a different colour.....I'll be doing a 1/72 mix in one of my threads, so you will get to see how I like to go about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 For Russian uniform info, the 13th Guards Rifle division (http://www.13thguardspoltavaskaya.com/) has a lot of info The 13th Guards Rifle Division is a living history group those aim is to accurately portray the men and women of the Red Army who served during World War Two, or The Great Patriotic War as it is known in Russia and the former states of the Soviet Union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 There's a walk around site for Finnish vehicles here: http://www.andreaslarka.net/ Some ex-German and some captured Russian equipment is shown - and other countries' products 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Not really a reference for this thread as it's an updated postwar version, but possibly of interest: It gets to the good bit at the 12 minute point.....Oorah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbat Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 I've spent way too much time looking at this site recently. Some good profiles and some nice photos too. The pages on Lend Lease armour and trucks are costing me a fortune though - seems like 90% of Zvezda's 1/100 WW2 range served in the GPW, so that's about how much of it I have ordered http://www.o5m6.de/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbat Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 My artillery pieces have rods moulded onto the trails. I know German artillery carried 'barbers poles'. Does anyone know if the Russian ones should also be stripy? All the pics I've seen are either black and white, or of post war museum exhibits or monuments with the rods missing. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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