harvy5 Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, Laurent said: I know someone who owns both KH and HB kits. The windscreen and canopy are not the only accuracy issues... I feel the aftermarkets for KH pay more than the kit . And just to repair basic faults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, Laurent said: The windscreen and canopy are not the only accuracy issues... Monsieur Laurent...!!! I'm yet to see a build thread on the Hobby Boss 1/48 Su-17 Fitter kit, so I ain't familiar with that one kit; would you please elaborate on the issues present in the HB kit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 12 minutes ago, Uncle Uncool said: Monsieur Laurent...!!! I'm yet to see a build thread on the Hobby Boss 1/48 Su-17 Fitter kit, so I ain't familiar with that one kit; would you please elaborate on the issues present in the HB kit? HB fuselage is shorter and its cross-section is squarish apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvy5 Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 24 minutes ago, Laurent said: HB fuselage is shorter and its cross-section is squarish apparently. Interesting. Russian modelers rate it positively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 (edited) 11 hours ago, harvy5 said: Interesting. Russian modelers rate it positively Do you have links ? The Scalemodels.ru HB Su-17 topic has not been updated since beginning of April. Edited May 16, 2017 by Laurent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) New boxing - ref. KH80146 - release expected in July 2017. Source: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1457628524289429&id=736521713066784 Quote Hungarian AF used M3 not M4. Fitter features different engine and rear fuselage section, no air scoop on vertical fin base, the box art includes an M4 in Hungarian disguise. Why? I don't know what to say... V.P. Edited January 7, 2020 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Nice selection of schemes. The current release has the option of the fin fillet without the intake so I'm sure this one will to, they've obviously just used the same side profile to display all the markings. Wonder if it will contain a new rear fuselage for an M3 as per the break down of the parts?! Currently building the first release lease of this kit and I'll buy this one too. Muzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ya-gabor Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 21 hours ago, Homebee said: V.P. I don think they know what they are doing!!!! The Hungarian Air Force never had the M4 with the intake on top of the back! I am 100000% sure of this having seen and photographed them taken apart during overhaul. This is simply stupid! The person doing the artwork / research has absolutely no knowledge of the subject! As far as I know Vietnam also had the M3 version but someone with better knowledge of them should step in. Best regards Gabor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcop Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 20 minutes ago, ya-gabor said: I don think they know what they are doing!!!! The Hungarian Air Force never had the M4 with the intake on top of the back! I am 100000% sure of this having seen and photographed them taken apart during overhaul. This is simply stupid! The person doing the artwork / research has absolutely no knowledge of the subject! As far as I know Vietnam also had the M3 version but someone with better knowledge of them should step in. Best regards Gabor And so I guess we can be pretty sure they won't bring any correction to this banana ( and saying this I am not kind to bananas that I really like ! ) Where are you AMK, GWH, etc... I am more and more convinced that by buying this kind of products we are killing the serious kit makers. Just my 2 cents. Madcop 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Forget about the banana-shaped underbelly; they'll provide you with the same aft fuselage that they did on the Su-17 kit? That's totally unacceptable... Nice German markings, tho. Me likes! 19 minutes ago, madcop said: Where are you AMK, GWH, etc... I am more and more convinced that by buying this kind of products we are killing the serious kit makers. AMK? They will sure promise you to release the Mother-Of-All Fitters, but perhaps in 2052 (and provided they reached the 15.000-unit pre-order quota first). Great Wall Hobby I'd be a LOT more happy about. Cheers, Unc2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, ya-gabor said: I don think they know what they are doing!!!! ... The person doing the artwork / research has absolutely no knowledge of the subject! Yes they don't know what they're doing. Yes the person has no knowledge of the subject. Now how could a project manager that jumps from French to American then Soviet aircrafts could have expertise on all type of subjects ? It's not possible. The job of a project manager is to identify contributors, agregate reference material provided and in the process hopefully learn about the subject. Contributors are just used to provide material while they should also provide feedback during design of everything (CAD, decals, instructions, box art, everything); it may be because the project manager doesn't provide material for review or because the contributors cannot communicate in an intelligible manner with the project manager what's wrong. Also the project manager may not be able to control the work of all his ressources (CAD designer, technical writer, decal designer, toolshop). 2 hours ago, ya-gabor said: As far as I know Vietnam also had the M3 version but someone with better knowledge of them should step in. Just google "Su-22 Vietnam". You'll see plenty of M4 pics Edited May 21, 2017 by Laurent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Cold War Studio belly correction set in progress Source: https://www.facebook.com/ColdWarStudiodetails/posts/1412599688836562 V.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 (edited) Boxing - ref.KH80146 on final Source: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1554126161306331&id=736521713066784 V.P. Edited October 22, 2017 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 7 hours ago, Homebee said: Boxing - ref.KH80146 on final Source: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1554126161306331&id=736521713066784 V.P. And no sign of the 22M3 R29 tail section... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) Released - ref. KH80146: http://www.luckymodel.com/scale.aspx?item_no=KH80146 https://www.befr.ebay.be/itm/Kitty-Hawk-1-48-80146-Sukhoi-Su-22-M3-M4/172798814403?hash=item283b9ca8c3:g:Qs4AAOSwjkVZfKXC V.P. Edited January 7, 2020 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Well, I'm certainly aware of the differences between a Su-17 and a Su-22 in real life, but by the look of the sprue layout, this kit is exactly the same as the Su-17 kit I've purchased some months ago. So, what's different about this new release with regard to the previous one, just the decal option? It looks like KH haven't even bothered to correct the banana-shaped underbelly! Mum... Mum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 A very interesting dry fit on Modelling News for those who intend to build the Kittyhawk Su-17/-33M3/M4 http://www.themodellingnews.com/2017/10/gary-dry-fits-fitter-in-his-review-of.html V.P. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastien Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 4 hours ago, Homebee said: A very interesting dry fit on Modelling News for those who intend to build the Kittyhawk Su-17/-33M3/M4 http://www.themodellingnews.com/2017/10/gary-dry-fits-fitter-in-his-review-of.html V.P. Yup... Quote All Su-17/22M variants (M, M2, M3 and M4) were fitted with the Lyulka AL-21F-3 power-plant. Houston, we have a problem. S. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 6 hours ago, Homebee said: A very interesting dry fit on Modelling News for those who intend to build the Kittyhawk Su-17/-33M3/M4 http://www.themodellingnews.com/2017/10/gary-dry-fits-fitter-in-his-review-of.html V.P. A well researched, written and fair review. Although it has missed an issue I found which is almost as big a problem as the shockcone, there isn’t enough complete pylons in the kit to portray an operational load. I had to use pylon adaptors from the KP kit to finish mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICMF Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, Muzz said: A well researched, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-17 Edited October 27, 2017 by ICMF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 12 hours ago, ICMF said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-17 I was talking about the actual review of the kit, the fact that the reviewer has cut and joined plastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) On 10/27/2017 at 11:18 AM, Muzz said: Although it has missed an issue I found which is almost as big a problem as the shockcone, there isn’t enough complete pylons in the kit to portray an operational load. I had to use pylon adaptors from the KP kit to finish mine. Yeh, and no banana has ever been addressed, either. Hi, Muzz! There's this old, instrumental song I ain't able to find, which bridge went, "It's worked so far but we're not out yet?" Do you know the name of this song, or what band it belongs to? My Sheila has been playing it on a loop during all weekend and I'm falling apart! It's nothing like my Metal. On 10/27/2017 at 5:23 PM, ICMF said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-17 MoFo, do you know why Hobby Elements decided not to make their 10cm/15cm-long Section Tracers any longer? They only offer a 7cm-long one. Go try use that on the 1/48 Aeroclub Vulcan, for instance... Cheers, Unc2 Edited October 30, 2017 by Uncle Uncool Something on my way I trampled with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 (edited) CWS underfuselage correction set. Source: https://scontent.fbru2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/23509170_1854903974524541_1548269827595325543_o.jpg?oh=c72514bd8a91eb2847ad744609198f17&oe=5AA3EB09 Quote The Su-17/22 M3/M4 corrected belly for the Kitty Hawk's kit in 1/48 scale started to arrive. It will be available end of next week as I am going to visit Telford this year. Just 3 quick pictures to see how it fits the kit. V.P. Edited March 12, 2018 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) Cold War Studio corrected belly set released: http://coldwarstudio.com/Su-17 Correct Belly 48 scale.html V.P. Edited March 12, 2018 by Homebee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Homebee said: Cold War Studio corrected belly set released: http://coldwarstudio.com/Su-17 Correct Belly 48 scale.html V.P. I was under the impression they were including pylons to go with it or are these going to be seperate I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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