Calum Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 20 minutes ago, Uncle Uncool said: Yeh, me's been lurkin' on 'em Ruskie thread - Google translator nay help too much - but me was appalled upon watchin' this comparison here; is "they're" 'em Hobby Boss kit fuselage the one which is on top...? http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/img_1358337_1489689950_DSC_1086.JPG.html Ruskie blokes affirm that HB have botched 'em forward fuselage 'n' canopy; they just look like 'em OEZ one? Me thought to have noticed that the new HB kit looked sorta like 'em OEZ in that aspect. Well, thank gawd me's purchased 'em KH kit instead! Google translate didn't work on your post either... What are you trying to say? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Calum said: Google translate didn't work on your post either... What are you trying to say? I 'd say he means KH forward fuselage is much more accurate than then HB and KP.... If you speak kit manufacturer abbr. , you probably will understand this here Edited March 16, 2017 by exdraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Calum said: Google translate didn't work on your post either... What are you trying to say? Calum! Google ain't able to translate English into English, y'know... It musta be it. Besides, it's hard to try 'n' type after a coupla brews, sorry. But then again, yeh, y'know; Doyle just noticed me that the piccy on 'em Ruskie forum was nay showin' properly on my previous post, so me's edited it now - mind ye, dealin' with Photobucket's worse than wrestlin' with a lobster from hell! It oughta be a helluva much clearer now, my mate from down under. Yeh, it oughta. 1 hour ago, exdraken said: I 'd say he means KH forward fuselage is much more accurate than then HB and KP.... If you speak kit manufacturer abbr. , you probably will understand this here My bru! Howdy? Uh-huh, that's right. Had me purchased 'em HB kit, me'd gone straight to the airstrip to prevent the landin' of 'em plane on which my kit had been loaded. Yeh, me would, methinks. It's 'em same issue which ultimately put me off buildin' 'em KP kit in 'em first place! Nay way to fix that issue. Nay at all. Well? The Kitty Hawk kit is much better in that aspect. Nay a care in life 'bout all 'em other issues. Cheers, fellas. Unc2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Uncle Uncool said: Yeh, me's been lurkin' on 'em Ruskie thread - Google translator nay help too much - but me was appalled upon watchin' this comparison here; is "they're" 'em Hobby Boss kit fuselage the one which is on top...? Ruskie blokes affirm that HB have botched 'em forward fuselage 'n' canopy; it just look like 'em OEZ one? Me thought to have noticed that the new HB kit looked sorta like 'em OEZ in that aspect. Yeh, me did. Well, thank Gawd me's purchased 'em KH kit instead! Yeh, me is. Cheers 'em drUnc2 Well that definitely isn't the Hobby Boss fuselage as can clearly be seen from this photo of the sprues taken of the HB site....... https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Cm0Eu5zn2sQ/WMkM2Xa6liI/AAAAAAACAzU/qVz-D5jXTF4QjqCZZWU-d6jSJ57vKPlmQCLcB/s1600/Su-17M4%2BFitter-K%2B81758%2B%285%29.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkmouth Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 38 minutes ago, Muzz said: Well that definitely isn't the Hobby Boss fuselage as can clearly be seen from this photo of the sprues taken of the HB site....... https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Cm0Eu5zn2sQ/WMkM2Xa6liI/AAAAAAACAzU/qVz-D5jXTF4QjqCZZWU-d6jSJ57vKPlmQCLcB/s1600/Su-17M4%2BFitter-K%2B81758%2B%285%29.jpg Luckily, Russian is easier for me to understand than some English from Argentina... The upper abbreviation is for KP and the lower is for KH. Below is the post on scalemodels.ru:http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_66599_start_0.html Regards, 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrenH Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Differences there are so insignificant to my eye as to simply say which one builds better? having gotten the 6 part KH fuse together by putting them together in halves its still work I coukdclive without doing again. Next SU-17 will be HB for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkmouth Posted March 17, 2017 Author Share Posted March 17, 2017 (edited) After reading through all 18 pages of the thread on scalemodels.ru, I see that the Russians seem to agree that the belly of the fuselage is the issue. They had others such as the nose gear being too far back while the main gears are too far forward. The Russians seem to enjoy overlaying images of the KH CAD on top of photos of the real aircraft. Some even had some nicely done plans with cross sections. Here are just a few of the images to be found on the forum. Last, they didn't seem to have the fuselage problem Doog did and they did point out that he mounted the KKR pod backwards and forgot to remove the pylons on either side. The image above purports the landing gear being too close together (nose and main) Overlaying the KittyHawk CAD over photos of the real aircraft: This has some nicely done plans... I wish I knew the source. The main issue found: It affects the mounting of the KKR pod. This is how it should be (instead of pointing downwards as in the kit): Trying to stitch an image together to eliminate distortion (these guys are serious!): Regards, Edited March 18, 2017 by sharkmouth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 13 hours ago, sharkmouth said: Luckily, Russian is easier for me to understand than some English from Argentina... Now me's gonna be sad for three or four days, perhaps even five. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pfeil Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 in conclusion, between this two bad model kits, which one is better? Ivan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 39 minutes ago, Pfeil said: in conclusion, between this two bad model kits, which one is better? KP is a bad kit and a bad model (front fuselage profile) but it's cheap. KH is an acceptable kit (good actually if you're used to dry-fitting and preparing parts) and an acceptable model (under fuselage profile issue can be fixed or even ignored as it won't be visible once the kit is built). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pfeil Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 16 minutes ago, Laurent said: KP es un mal kit y un mal modelo (el perfil del fuselaje delantero) pero es barato. KH es un kit aceptable (bueno en realidad, si estás acostumbrado a secar el montaje y preparación de partes) y un modelo aceptable (bajo problema de perfil del fuselaje puede ser fijo o incluso ignorado, ya que no será visible una vez que el kit se construye). Thanks you for your explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Pfeil said: Thanks you for your explanation. De nada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobby_23 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Laurent said: KH is an acceptable kit (good actually if you're used to dry-fitting and preparing parts) and an acceptable model (under fuselage profile issue can be fixed or even ignored as it won't be visible once the kit is built). When you say it's good if you are used to preparing parts, what do you mean by that? Do you mean carrying out surgery, or just carefully fitting together and being aware of tolerances? Edited March 17, 2017 by Sobby_23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Sobby_23 said: When you say it's good if you are used to preparing parts, what do you mean by that? Do you mean carrying out surgery, or just carefully fitting together and being aware of tolerances? This... 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobby_23 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Spot on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Me's received my KH kit last Friday 'n' still me's hopelessly cuddlin' it every night before turnin' in. Such a noooiiiceee kit, 'em only thing me's concerned 'bout would be to fix the wobblin' on both 'em nose 'n' main landin' gear legs. A tad too fragile the way 'em landin' gears are to be attached to "they're" respective bays, methinks. Mountin' notches too shallow...? Plastic's too brittle? Nay dice buildin' it gears up, either, y'know. Nay way. Cheers, Unc2 P.S.: Won't be attachin' 'em whole engine either; just the part from 'em flame holder aft. Fix the issue 'bout 'em splitter plates by turnin' both 'em attachin' pins on the sides vertically. That's a clever move. Nay give a split shoot 'bout 'em concavity under "they're" fuselage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rui Silva Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Hi all, It seems we will have a lower fuselage and intake splitter correction parts from Cold War Studios, see their FB page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) Nay waayy...!!! really...? That Stenka bloke should be built a monolith in every city Square! Me's gonna go start gatherin' 'em peebles for it. Awesome news, Rui. Incidentally, d'ya happen to like the band Oratory? I used to have a terrible crush on Ana Lara. Yeh, me did. Cheers, Unc2 Edited March 23, 2017 by Uncle Uncool Characters outa proportion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rui Silva Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Hi Uncle Uncool, I'd never heard about "Oratory", I looked it up and seriously... a crush for Ana Lara??? That seems almost as bad as saying KH's Su-17 is a beautiful kit! Best regards from bloody cold northern Portugal, Rui Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) Cold War Studio is working on the problems! Source: https://www.facebook.com/ColdWarStudiodetails/posts/1290309774398888 Quote (...) It will be a replacement lower fuselage for the Kitty Hawk Su-22 in 1/48 scale. Splitter plate for the shock cone is in the works as well. Everything is sill WIP.(...) V.P. Edited March 24, 2017 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICMF Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 You know, KH really should be applauded for how much they're contributing to the growth of hobby. Just look at how many cottage industry manufacturers have sprung up to fix all the mistakes in each new KH release. You don't get that with the Tamiya's of the world. Kudos, KH. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 25 minutes ago, ICMF said: Just look at how many cottage industry manufacturers have sprung up to fix all the mistakes in each new KH release. How many ? The only release that comes to my mind is the MiG-25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 23 hours ago, Rui Silva said: I'd never heard about "Oratory", I looked it up and seriously... a crush for Ana Lara??? That seems almost as bad as saying KH's Su-17 is a beautiful kit! Ya objectin' to my taste for 'em Metal sheilas, Rui? How dare ya, my mate? Well, perhaps she ain't as drop-dead gorgeous as Simone Simons, Tarja Turunen or Vibeke Stene, but Ana Lara ain't a Barney-lookin' lass. Ya've just got to imagine her while singin' this tune aloud in yer room at nightfall. Oh, 'n' 'em Kitty Hawk 1/48th scale Su-17M3/M4 kit is indeed a very noooiiiceee kit. Yeh, it is. 2 hours ago, ICMF said: You don't get that with the Tamiya's of the world. Bwahahahahaha... Yeh, especially if we're still able to recall how accurate was the Tamiya Shar or "they're" Hog. Cheers 'em Doyles. Unc2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobby_23 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Another review... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastien Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Much more gentlemanly and less Gordon Ramsay-esque, indeed... Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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