Sobby_23 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Hope this ends up being one of Kitty Hawk's better kits since, as I understand it, then tend to churn out some utter shockers. What tends to be the biggest issue with their kits? I'm only recently getting back into the hobby and I'm still bringing myself up to speed with all the various manufacturers. The Kitty Hawk Entendard looks pretty interesting too! Whatever this kit ends up being like I'm sure I'll pick one up and build it into one of the Polish AF machines. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICMF Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 5 hours ago, Sobby_23 said: What tends to be the biggest issue with their kits? It's a combination of questionable accuracy (shapes, details, mixed up versions) and fit. They seem to be running smaller injection molding machines, which means the kits get broken down into smaller components, but the fit and finesse makes things a challenge. They're really more like 'limited run' kits - like Classic Airframes or Special Hobby - but the expectation is that they'll be a Meng/GWH/AMK/Takom/etc. Part of the problem is that modern kit engineering is universally good, so it's quite jarring to have an old school, wrestle-it-into-submission kit. If you just want to build a model, and don't mind a challenging build, they're fine. If you want a really accurate model, or a straightforward build, they're a let down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 (edited) 40 minutes ago, ICMF said: It's a combination of questionable accuracy (shapes, details, mixed up versions) and fit. They seem to be running smaller injection molding machines, which means the kits get broken down into smaller components, but the fit and finesse makes things a challenge. They're really more like 'limited run' kits - like Classic Airframes or Special Hobby - but the expectation is that they'll be a Meng/GWH/AMK/Takom/etc. Part of the problem is that modern kit engineering is universally good, so it's quite jarring to have an old school, wrestle-it-into-submission kit. If you just want to build a model, and don't mind a challenging build, they're fine. If you want a really accurate model, or a straightforward build, they're a let down. I second what ICMF said, adding: I would not call them limited run kits, more like partly over engineered and therefor complicated with lots of open-able hatches, and partly inaccurate, i.e. wrong pylons, totally wrong weapon load out (but generally a lot of it, but for the spares box only...) some detail: Their much expected MiG-25 unfortunately had quite serious shape problems at the front fuselage.... F-35 series: no real problems a part from being complicated and therefor difficult Jaguar: some shape and size problems (weels, leading edge, ...) in general as well as wrong pylons and weapons for the British version, Mirage F1. twoseater quite ok, (some say not to scale???) , single seater with serious nose shape problem Gripen: generally ok (but pylons have wrong shape), decals not really suited for the boxed versions, strange weapons load out and not external tanks Helicopters: are said to be quite good Super Etendard: others know more, but apparently they mixed some detail with the Etendard, as well as adding some wrong weapons, the decals also have some issues most recent Banshee --> see yourself in the review section... but the best intentions pared with some negligence do not make the general modeler very happy.... apart form that KH is quite expensive imho! So, I re-sold all but the Jaguar for the time being, maybe I 'll by a Gripen once and I will definitely have a closer look at their try on the Su-34 (Hobbyboss just tried....) and of course the Su-17 series. Edited November 1, 2016 by exdraken 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobby_23 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Thanks guys! I think the Su-22 will be a must buy at any rate, and depending of what it's like I may investigate their Su-34. Altough, Trumpy's version is 1/72 will be considerably easier to handle, and store. I'm not too fussed about it being a bit of a fiddle to build, I do prefer the well engineered kits (some of the latest Trumpy builds, Tamiya, AMK, MENG etc.) but Kitty Hawk really seem to make some interesting subjects which means I can set aside that desire to build the perfect kit in favour of building something I really love. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Now in the Kitty Hawk homepage: http://www.kittyhawkmodel.com/copy-of-kh80142 - ref. KH80144 - Sukhoi Su-17 M3&M4 V.P. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 A real aircraft was scanned for CAD design: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/292383-kitty-hawks-upcoming-48th-scale-su-22m-3-m-4/&do=findComment&comment=2832191 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radleigh Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Sounds/looks promising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastien Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 As long as they don't sell it as a 22 M3, it is promising... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eng Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Any scheduled release date on this one? Did Kitty Hawk have a stand at Telford? Eng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pfeil Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) https://www.facebook.com/Kitty-hawk-736521713066784/?fref=ts Coming end of Febuary! Yeah! Ivan Edited January 5, 2017 by Pfeil 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skids Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 This will be a kit on my 2017 shopping list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Not going to dump my Su-7/17/22s yet.... but looking forward to comparison... so many variants to be built!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 4 hours ago, exdraken said: Not going to dump my Su-7/17/22s yet.... but looking forward to comparison... so many variants to be built!! I got rid of my KP kit years ago so no comparaison can be expected from me. If the kit is successful I hope very much they'll do Tumanski R-29-engined versions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 32 minutes ago, Laurent said: I got rid of my KP kit years ago so no comparaison can be expected from me. If the kit is successful I hope very much they'll do Tumanski R-29-engined versions. I plan(ned) to combine a Su-7 with a Su-17 and Ciro-models two-seat conversion in order to get a R-29 engined Su-22 UM3 .... I guess I still can go ahead with my plan until this rare version will be available from KH... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eng Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Any idea on schemes, Russian going by box art obviously. Polish or German by any chance? Looking forward to this one. Like the Sepecat Jaguar this jet has a brutish and purposeful look about it. Only three kits on my 2017 list, this is one of them. Eng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisov Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Good article on Polish SU-22's in the Feb 17 issue of 'Combat Aircraft' Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 13 hours ago, chrisov said: Good article on Polish SU-22's in the Feb 17 issue of 'Combat Aircraft' Chris an up-to-date one? including upgrade and new color scheme? they where promising on for 2 years now.... I even did not renew my subscription because of too much overlap with AFM.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 hour ago, exdraken said: an up-to-date one? including upgrade and new color scheme? The article is about the Polish Su-22 upgrade so there are plenty of grey aircraft pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobby_23 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) Test build shots. Have to say, it does look rather nice. Source: https://www.facebook.com/pg/Kitty-hawk-736521713066784/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1334311413287808 Edited January 18, 2017 by Sobby_23 Added photos properly. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 it looks rather nice! yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) Woaaw. On my shopping list. Looks like to be a future winner. Windscreen: better than the future HobbyBoss one but still off. See side windows. V.P. Edited January 18, 2017 by Homebee 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Homebee said: Windscreen: better than the future HobbyBoss one but still off. I don't think HB will offer the possibility to lower the flaps and leading-edge slats. KH will. Edited January 18, 2017 by Laurent KH vs HB text addition 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICMF Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 *If* that's the biggest fault, I'm fine with that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 12 minutes ago, ICMF said: *If* that's the biggest fault, I'm fine with that. Yup. I'll get this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollie Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 They made the same mistake KP made many moons ago. It sits on its gear way too low throwing the look of the model off. Just do a google image search for Su-22 and you'll see what I mean. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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