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Duncan B

Opening another Luftwaffe can of worms, resolved !

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I know I should just keep my head down and get on with building models the way the instructions tell me to but.....

I'm currently at the painting stage of an Eduard 1/48 Fw190D9. I didn't want to do the colour scheme supplied with the Weekender Edition so looked around and found decals and paint masks for Red 18 of either I/Erg.KG(J) or a later incarnation. The particular airframe is Werk No. 211115 which makes it an early mid production Focke Wulf Marienburg built one, so far so good.

The problems started when I looked through some of my books to try to identify which type of canopy would have been fitted as the profiles didn't all agree and I ended up still not knowing but with at least 4 different colour profiles including the decal sheet, Montex masks etc. Most are variations on a similar theme of upper surfaces of either RLM 75/83 or 82/83 which were both possible for that production batch. The real problem is with the underside as most of the profiles show that to be what is now referred to as the 'W3' style (RLM 76 ailerons, flaps and leading edge to mid chord) or 'W4' where the leading edge is in RLM 75. These are both later forms of the 'austerity' style colour schemes, the earliest seeing the paint on the leading edge only extending to the first panel, more of this in a moment. All profiles show a B4 style cross under the wing.

The only photos of 211115 I have found are the same as supplied with the Eaglecal decals and show it from the rear and have no view of the wings at all, no canopy fitted either which seems to have been very common at the end of the war. However I have found a photo allegedly of 211118 which clearly shows the under surface of the wing and it is all over RLM76 with the type B3 black and white cross (and again no canopy!). At this point I am making the assumption that the photo is correct (it is certainly xxx118 but I don't have access to the original) and that Werk numbers followed in sequence so that this airframe was within spanner throwing distance of Red 18 on the production line? Oddly my references tell me that the RLM76, B3 combination was only used on the early production FW Sorau built 210xxx series so has this picture (Page 908, Focke Wulf Fw190 Vol 3 by Smith and Creek) been wrongly identified regarding the Werk no.?

No matter as I have also seen a photo of 2111x2, possibly 3, (also in the same book, page 724) which appears to show one of the earlier styes of the 'austerity' paint style. commonly referred to as W2a which only had the very front of the wing, the wing tip, ailerons, undercarriage doors and flaps painted and luckily it also has it's early style canopy fitted so at least that was my original problem sorted.

Sorry for the long winded ramblings however I am inclined to say that unless there are other photos of 211115 showing the underwing area clearly I will paint mine up with the earlier W2a style demarcation so is it possible that all the profiles are actually making an incorrect assumption (tempting fire and brimstone upon me from the Experten). Is it likely that the factory would paint an earlier airframe with a later style then revert to an earlier style further down the production run? It turns out there are other photos that clearly show the underside with paint to mid chord (What is possible is that it had been repainted or had the paint extended in the field of course.) Edited

if anyone does know of other photos of 211115 then please point me in the right direction (preferably before I go painting the underside). Yes, Jerry Crandall's book has more pictures. Edited

Now for the topside colours....... :shutup:

Duncan B

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Duncan,

You have my sympathy.

I do love some of those late war Luftwaffe schemes

but the is it this? or is it that? can drive you up the wall!

You could try asking on hyperscale.com.

For colonials they have a huge database between them

and I've seen some really obscure questions answered.

Or have a look on here, falkeeins.BlogSpot.co.uk

Hope you have success.

And this is why I just build Sci fi WIFs nowadays!

Pete

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They'll even argue about Sci-Fi what-ifs on Hyperscale, they scare me!

After my initial post it struck me that there must be some other photos of 211115 as two of the profiles show a quite distinctive camo pattern on the tailplanes and Crandall describes an over spray on the spinner and props, neither of which are visible in the photos provided.

Duncan B

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Hello Duncan,

In Volume 2 of my Dora book there are seven photos of "red 18" that confirm our choice of

the Camouflage and markings. Let me know if you need more info.

Cheers, Jerry

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I thought there must be more photos of that aircraft than the 2 that are with the description for the decals. Confirmation of the underside demarcation would be nice to see.

Duncan B

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Someone has kindly pointed me in the direction of some more photos of Red 18 and they confirm that the underside did in fact have the RLM75 extending to roughly mid chord and not just to the first panel of the leading edge and also that it had an early style canopy (all be it very vandalised by the time it was photographed).

I can now get on with painting in the knowledge that it is with the best possible information available, I'm going with Jerry Crandall's profile.

Thanks to everyone who helped me with this, I hope I can do you all justice with my build.

Duncan B

p.s. I've managed to find copies of the JaPo books to add to my collection. I'll have to find copies of Jerry's books too.

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Have you tried ordering the two volume Dora series from Eagle Editions. They might be able to help you with getting the books.

Though I am biased as I work closely with Jerry, they do come highly recommended.

Mark Proulx

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Have you tried ordering the two volume Dora series from Eagle Editions. They might be able to help you with getting the books.

Though I am biased as I work closely with Jerry, they do come highly recommended.

Mark Proulx

Thanks Mark, I'll have to wait until I have some spare cash before I can order them but I will get them.

Duncan B

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I understand a budget dilemma.... I have to comply with it too!

I can assure you that you won't be disappointed with his books. I have the JaPo books too and consider them to compliment one another. Should you have any questions on the Dora, I know Jerry will assist where possible.

Mark Proulx

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