Plasto Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Hi, I'll throw my hand in with a build of the Airfix Seafire XVII. There are a few Spit GB's running around the place currently and I have a Vb on the bench. But I'm keen to have a go with the newish Airfix Kit...More so since my Corsair GB entry is complete. Here is the Boxing I'm doing.. I'll add a few images once we get rolling.. Cheers Plasto.. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Welcome to this group build !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Welcome to the GB Plasto. It's a lovely kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasto Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 Thanks guys. Yes I agree it's a nice kit. I'm thinking of doing it wings folded and cockpit open. But that might change. I've just finished a build of a Seafire LFIIc from the 'old' Airfix kit so I'm hoping this one treats me more kindly. I'm sure it will. Cheers Plasto. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Was that the 48th scale LFIIc? Thankfully Airfix have come a long way since that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaStix Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I fancy making one of these at some point so I shall follow with interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasto Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 Was that the 48th scale LFIIc? Thankfully Airfix have come a long way since that one! Hi Col, Yes the Vc / Seafire III kit from 2004. Here it is finished.... Cheers Plasto 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Kunac-Tabinor Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Well if you can do that with that model - your XVII is going to look fantastic! Jonners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Well that certainly looks like a Seafire. Nice work with a less than wonderful kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasto Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 Well if you can do that with that model - your XVII is going to look fantastic! Jonners Well that certainly looks like a Seafire. Nice work with a less than wonderful kit Aye it's not the best kit but you get a lot of options in the box it repays careful construction and not being overly ambitious. Glad you like it... I'll have a look at the XVII later today and grab some images. Cheers Plasto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasto Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 Hi, Here are a few images to kick things off. My Boxing... Sprues to affirm things are not started in a major way... While I have been working on My Vb build I took the opportunity to use up paint in the Airbrush to get the cockpit started. I also opened up some of the holes on the cockpit framing.. Finally I wondered about a scheme and this one is on the xtradecal sheet. So it's a possibility. So we've broken the ice... Cheers Plasto... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Kunac-Tabinor Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Good choice!!! Sky suits the XVII so the more the better! and the small red centred roundels add a touch of unusual interest Jonners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Good to see this one underway I'd certainly like to watch you model SX365 as it's a nice variation on the typical Seafire XVII scheme with the unusual roundel proportions and large fuselage numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasto Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 Hi , Thanks for the support. I can run with SX365. The plan is to build it cockpit open and wings folded. I might add a bit of aftermarket to it in the form of some Ultracast wheels and resin exhausts. I was also wondering if the barracuda cast griffon rocker covers were worthwhile over the kit bits?? I taped the fuselage halves together for a trial fit and did a bit of Drybrushing with some graphite on the cockpit sidewalls and chopped out the door... Small steps but useful. Cheers Plasto 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadgaddad Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Hi , Thanks for the support. I can run with SX365. The plan is to build it cockpit open and wings folded. I might add a bit of aftermarket to it in the form of some Ultracast wheels and resin exhausts. I was also wondering if the barracuda cast griffon rocker covers were worthwhile over the kit bits?? I used them on mine. The kit ones are a bit too round at the front compared to the resin ones. To be honest I couldn't really see much of a difference at first but once I did it was obvious they looked wrong. I also slimmed the propeller blades a little otherwise they look a bit like cricket bats. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Hi , I might add a bit of aftermarket to it in the form of some Ultracast wheels and resin exhausts. I was also wondering if the barracuda cast griffon rocker covers were worthwhile over the kit bits?? lipstick on a pig. The kit needs some surgery to be the right shape, it suffers from the faults of the Spit XII kit, fuselage too deep, wing too broad in chord. I also think the main engine horizontal panel line is too low, and so the rocker covers sit too low these are fixable, but.... I used them on mine. The kit ones are a bit too round at the front compared to the resin ones. To be honest I couldn't really see much of a difference at first but once I did it was obvious they looked wrong. I also slimmed the propeller blades a little otherwise they look a bit like cricket bats. the blades are the wrong shape, they look like the used a photo of the blade at an angle, the real ones are pretty wide. Annoyingly there are not replacement blades I had a go at fixing the XII blades, but did not get a result I was happy with. Unless supergluing your fingers together was what was wanted (it wasn't) On a more positive note, there is a very useful walkround on here, where the above pics comes from. http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/74606-supermarine-seafire/ Still, as you managed to make an excellent job of the considerably worse Spitfire Vc/Seafire III kit ..so if you build this as well then it will look fine. Oh,I presume you still have the wing from the above kit? It was based on the old tool Spitfire Vb kit, which was mostly very well shaped,with new parts from the crude late 90's Airfix IX kit. The Vb wing is the right shape if you want to compare it. The comments above are from someone with most 1/48 Spitfire kits and the only ones completed was in, erm, 1980, which was the old Vb kit and the Monogram IX... HTH T 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasto Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 (edited) So Troy are you telling me you're an armchair expert? ;-) Edited March 20, 2016 by Plasto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadgaddad Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Well, I enjoyed building it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasto Posted March 20, 2016 Author Share Posted March 20, 2016 As will I. Thanks for the info on the Barracuda rocker covers. Much appreciated. Cheers Plasto. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 So Troy are you telling me you're an armchair expert? ;-) my fascination with soft furnishings is not something I like to discuss here .... I never recovered from the comfy chair... I do a lot of research, and cross referencing... I can build well, don't know about paint... that will be the make or break, in the meantime I enjoy sorting out fixes. in my defence, corrections for the Tamiya Spitfire.. see post #51 and #53 here http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234968337-two-148-mkvb-spitfires-tamiya-and-airfix-new-spitfire-collection-expansion-project-finished-photos-now-in-the-rfi-section-080615/page-3 I have adjusted the wing as well, but not done the pics. The Seafire XVII is not horrible, it's a decent kit, but with some annoying, but mostly easy to fix flaws. By lipstick on a pig I mean why add new detail if you don't fix the underlying problems...maybe it's just me, I see quite a few builds here that do this, look nice, lots of detail, but still base kit faults. it's easy to get a bit Spit crazy, and many subtle shapes are have eluded many manufacturers... Spitfires are not even my pet subject..... http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234980181-hawker-hurricane-propellers-and-spinners-a-modellers-guide/ At least the walkround pics should help? cheers T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasto Posted March 20, 2016 Author Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) maybe it's just me,Possibly...How does this sound for a general concept. I'll build my model how I want to. With maybe the odd post here to support this GB.. You can build your models exactly how you want to. I agree with Spitfire's folk can get a bit crazy and start posting all sorts of stuff. I really just want to get on and enjoy sticking together and daubing a bit of paint around. Possibly there are more receptive places for your well researched and Indepth insights on Spitfire Kits.. Cheers Plasto Edited March 20, 2016 by Plasto 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Hi all, Britmodeller is a broad church. We have room for a lot of differing opinions, but they generally don't get in the way of modelling enjoyment. I would hope that we can get back to that enjoyment in this thread. Please don't let a minor disagreement get out of hand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasto Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 Hi Enzo Et al, I agree I just want to crack on with my Seafire. Troy I understand you were trying to be very helpful and showing an interest in my build I do appreciate that. Hopefully we can box on.. I've been looking at the prop on my SH Seafire XV and its a lot broader in width then the Airfix offering. I wonder if these blades are correct?? Cheers Plasto 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles87 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 If it was based on their Spitfire XII then probably not, that was one of the problems with it. I enjoyed building it just the same, hope you get the same amount of pleasure from this. Cheers John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Hi Enzo Et al, I agree I just want to crack on with my Seafire. Troy I understand you were trying to be very helpful and showing an interest in my build I do appreciate that. Hopefully we can box on.. I've been looking at the prop on my SH Seafire XV and its a lot broader in width then the Airfix offering. I wonder if these blades are correct?? Cheers Plasto Hi Plasto thank you, I can witter on, but am just trying to help. The Special Hobby Seafire XV blades are a lot closer to the original than the Airfix, and some XV used the same prop blades as the XVII, maybe all. This thread http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234995521-building-a-better-spitfire-xii/ discusses the Spitfire XII, and ways to make one, As the Seafire XVII was done at the same time as the Spit XII, it has the same faults, and these are discussed. It's quite a detailed thread, Also the XII has basically same engine, a single stage Griffon. see here, from the man who owned the Spitfires in the thread above The engine bay dimensions for the XII and the XV/XVII are common. The engine bearer is common. The propellers are similar but not the same. I used wooden XV/XVII blades . I suspect that some of the XII's used metal blades. Some XIIs, probably the EN range, with fixed tail wheel, had the oil tank behind the pilot. The later XIIs in the MB serial range, with retracting tail wheel, I suspect had the oil in the fuel bay ahead of the top tank as the XVII...but I am not 100% sure. The Griffon 3, as fitted to the XII, had a dual unit single magneto set between the cylinder banks at the front that required a clearance bulge on the top engine cowling. The Griffon 6, as fitted to the XV/XVII, had a lower profile magneto that did not require the bulge. http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234978050-vol-2-all-the-spitfire-questions-here/page-28#entry2246315 Replacement blades for a XIV or XIX, are pretty similar in shape , eg https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/BCR48093 Barracudacals compare They maybe a little longer, I'm away from my copy of Spitfire the History to check the specifics of various props are listed. Regarding the resin rocker covers, I don't know if the single stage Griffon are the same or different to the two stage ones or not, and I'm too tired to try to find out now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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