Aardvark Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I still prefer to wait for the appearance of this model in my hands in order to judge its rivet! Arranged here in the topic, "international internet riveting inquisition"! B.R. Serge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted October 28, 2018 Author Share Posted October 28, 2018 Sprues+decals pics Source: https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2226015094334196&id=1854784001457309 V.P. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted November 9, 2018 Author Share Posted November 9, 2018 Test build Source: https://www.facebook.com/modelsvit/posts/2232719676997071 V.P. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trenton guy Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Is it me, or is the nose/radomes a little slim and lacking the kink (rather than a continuous curve) so apparent in photos of the real thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 On 9 November 2018 at 9:05 PM, Trenton guy said: Is it me, or is the nose/radomes a little slim and lacking the kink (rather than a continuous curve) so apparent in photos of the real thing. Hmmmm. You appear to be correct, TG. Let's see how they come out of the mound when released. To me, though, the front end looks too raked to me. Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 (edited) On 11/9/2018 at 10:05 PM, Trenton guy said: Is it me, or is the nose/radomes a little slim and lacking the kink (rather than a continuous curve) so apparent in photos of the real thing. Just like the HPM and RV kits. The incoming SH kit does have the "conical radome + bullet base" nose. Edited November 24, 2018 by Laurent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trenton guy Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Thanks for the confirmation, Ridge Runner and Laurent. Not an original observation on my part. It was pointed out to me by you, Laurent, just a few months ago in the context of the improved ( surface detail ) HP kit. Special Hobby has been known to make corrections in response to comment here. Let’s hope this is one of those times. It’s surprising that no aftermarket supplier has jumped in to address this Mirage nose issue. Seems a perfect fit for Quickboost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted December 7, 2018 Author Share Posted December 7, 2018 (edited) New boxing announced. Source: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/news.php - ref. 72060 - Mirage III RD - ref. 72062 - Mirage 5 - ref. 72065 - Mirage IIIB - link - ref. 72068 - Mirage IAI Dagger - ref. 72069 - Mirage Atlas Cheetah V.P. Edited November 28, 2019 by Homebee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 The list is vague. A "Mirage 5" can be different from another. 5BA, 5F or 5SDE have different noses. Same goes with the Cheetah... C or E ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkin Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Typical, wait all your life for a decent (will judge when I have the kit in hand) 1:72 scale Mirage to come along and suddenly there is a flood of them ! At the moment I like the HPM kit, I have corrected the nose and cast some off so I am quite happy, its just the cost of them that holds me back from purchasing them by the dozen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) Released - https://www.aviationmegastore.com/mirage-iiie-72045-modelsvit--mv72045-aircraft-scale-modelling/product/?action=prodinfo&art=158208 V.P. Edited December 11, 2018 by Homebee 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drake122 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 So what is the verdict on this one accuracy wise? Not too many reviews available either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, drake122 said: So what is the verdict on this one accuracy wise? Not too many reviews available either. I'm not sure as I'm reluctant to buy it because of the nose shape that I see here... It doesn't look like a "Cyrano nose" to me. The diameter at the base of the radome may be too small and that could explain the lack of the characteristic "cone-to-ogive" curvature. It's easy to fix (plastic card strip and putty) but if the nose is covered with rivets, those won't survive Edited December 27, 2018 by Laurent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmatthewbacon Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Laurent said: It doesn't look like a "Cyrano nose" to me. Man, you're picky. I genuinely don't see what you're concerned about. 50 years of Airfix, Frog and Matchbox (and the hen's-teeth Revell), followed by an impossible to find High Planes, an expensive PJ, or a legendary AMT that you can't buy, and you're worried about some subtlety of the nose cone/fuselage transition which is _literally_ invisible? Looking at your "real-life" picture above, if I squint at the underside, it's the fuselage that's the cone and the radome that's the ogive; staring at the upper side, it's the radome that's the cone... It's really not a deal-breaker for me, nor, I would hope, most other people... best, M. Edited December 27, 2018 by cmatthewbacon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drake122 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Honestly I can't see any substantial difference between the sprue and the picture provided above. If that is the only 'shape' issue then this kit is perfect, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trenton guy Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 The difference is there. Pretty noticible if you examine some photos of the nose areaand then the kit. Was a deal breaker for me, as I have quite a collection of HPM/PJ kits which share the problem but are otherwise very nice. Don’t need another one with the same mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 8 hours ago, cmatthewbacon said: Man, you're picky. I genuinely don't see what you're concerned about. 50 years of Airfix, Frog and Matchbox (and the hen's-teeth Revell), followed by an impossible to find High Planes, an expensive PJ, or a legendary AMT that you can't buy, and you're worried about some subtlety of the nose cone/fuselage transition which is _literally_ invisible? Looking at your "real-life" picture above, if I squint at the underside, it's the fuselage that's the cone and the radome that's the ogive; staring at the upper side, it's the radome that's the cone... It's really not a deal-breaker for me, nor, I would hope, most other people... best, M. Think the same, word for word. Also, can't understand all that fuss about the rivets. I spent an hour yesterday looking at the sprues, and I can't remember seeing rivet lines so subtle on any kit before. Cockpit and wheel bays detail level is just unbelievable at this scale. And you get an AN52 nuclear bomb, that type being not so common on the market. I would have liked more weapons options, but to be honest, there's already two pairs of missiles, three pairs of RP, the Barax/Phimat duo, and the AN52. This is where the SH kit is certain to have the edge. Whatever, I've already two boxes, and I'll get probably two more! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, cmatthewbacon said: Man, you're picky. Just as many other BM members. Read "enthusiastic" comments about TrumpyBoss kits of 1/48 British aircrafts (Defiant, Firefly, etc) in corresponding Rumourmonger topics and reviews. Look at post #56... the nose in the Special Hobby CAD looks better, the kit will be less sophisticated and more easily correctable (if there's something worth correcting) as it won't be covered with rivets. Edited December 28, 2018 by Laurent 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 I can't see anything wrong with the nose. And I'm afraid the rivets might disappear under the first coat of paint, subtle as they are. Maybe my point of view is different because I've the sprues under the nose as I write. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Antoine said: I can't see anything wrong with the nose. And I'm afraid the rivets might disappear under the first coat of paint, subtle as they are. Edited December 28, 2018 by Laurent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Interesting #MirageModelsvitnoseholywar! In my opinion, me need to urgently call popcorn dealer and order a large batch! 😁😁 But maybe, anybody can accurately draw a pencil around the model's nose and combine this sketch with a photo real Mirage or a drawing? 😉 I can only do this not earlier than March 2019, if all goes well and I receive my Mirage. B.R. Serge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Laurent, I'm trying hard, but... still can see nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 40 minutes ago, Antoine said: Laurent, I'm trying hard, but... still can see nothing! I was illustrating both the fact that the rivets are visible and... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) I agree with Laurent, given the two pictures in post #70 are from approximately the same angle, and the same size, two things are evident: 1. The kit nose appears to be longer and more slender than the real thing as well as lacking the ogival shape Laurent is trying to display. 2. The kit is representing a jet in a pristine finish and yet the rivets can be seen. On the picture of an in-service jet which is dirtier, no rivets can be seen, in theory the dirt should accentuate any depressed rivets on the in-service jet but they don't, why? Because they are flush rivets! Most rigger worth their salt shoot rivets to be flush or within 5 thousandths of an inch (0.127 mm) - that equates to 0.00177 mm in 1/72nd to 3 significant figures! Scale the kits holes up to full size they would probably be as deep as the thickness of the skin used on the real thing. This shouldn't show on a camouflaged jet in 1/72nd scale. The only reason the rivets can be seen on a NMF jet is because of the material difference between the rivets and the skin. Whilst I could live with the errors with the nose to some extent, I'm not prepared to put up with a skin covered in divots, I'm fed up with this Emperor's New Clothes fad where the skin looks like its been pulled from the frames beneath it being foisted upon me. I'll save my money for the SH kit, it won't be covered in divots and it will be half the price of this kit. Edited December 28, 2018 by Wez 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Laurent said: I was illustrating both the fact that the rivets are visible and... The angle on photo on the horizontal axis has differences. Yes, according to these photos it can be argued that there is some kind of discrepancy, but for a more substantive discussion either the same angle is necessary, or: 3 hours ago, Aardvark said: maybe, anybody can accurately draw a pencil around the model's nose and combine this sketch with a photo real Mirage or a drawing? B.w. probably some answer may be given by comparing the dimensions of the fuselage sections model & real plane (or factory drawings) at the point of fracture and in the area of the beginning canopy. B.R. Serge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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