boom.boom Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) As it is written in title, my dilemma is about Mitsubishi B2M2 Type89-2 Carrier Attack Aircraft...particularly about operational usage. Recently I came in possess of Mitsubishi B2M2 1/48 by Choroszy Modelbun with idea to built plane from 2nd Sino-Japanese War. But! But the more I read about B2M2 I am less convince that was used in war!? I been able to find just a few short texts about B2M and much less about B2M2 Type89-2 particularly! Everywhere says then B2M saw great deal of action in war, but I have impression that it refers only on B2M1 Tupe89-1, not B2M2 Type 89-2!? So, you understand my dilema-WAS B2M2 USED OR NOT IN 2nd SINO-JAPANESE WAR? And if it was used can anybody tell me in which extend? ...sincerely thank you all in advance! Edited January 20, 2016 by boom.boom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) If it may help - on page 108 in book " Sunburst: The Rise of Japanese Naval Air Power, 1909-1941" by Mark Peattie there is something on high losses of B2M2 (Type 89) made by Curtiss Hawks i 1937...This is available in google book. Here is something on 12 B2N2 from Kaga http://www.combinedfleet.com/Marco_t.htm So - perhaps - it was used... It is said that it was used also here (http://ww2db.com/aircraft_spec.php?aircraft_model_id=349). Here is photo taken on Kaga on May 1937 with B2M in background - you may distinguish is it B2M1 or M2... http://ww2db.com/images/ship_kaga7.jpg It is suggested also here: http://www.ww2incolor.com/japan/bombing.html Cheers Jerzy-Wojtek Edited January 20, 2016 by JWM 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panoz Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 B2M2 (check fin shape) over China in 1937: Happy? Hope so... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boom.boom Posted January 21, 2016 Author Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) If it may help - on page 108 in book " Sunburst: The Rise of Japanese Naval Air Power, 1909-1941" by Mark Peattie there is something on high losses of B2M2 (Type 89) made by Curtiss Hawks i 1937...This is available in google book. Here is something on 12 B2N2 from Kaga http://www.combinedfleet.com/Marco_t.htm So - perhaps - it was used... Thank You JWM!!! This is just what I search for! From combinedfleet.com..."15 August 1937: KAGA arrives off Shanghai with 12 Mitsubishi B2M2 Type 89 attack aircraft, 13 Yokusuka B3YI Type 94 attack aircraft, 14 Aichi D1A1 Type 94 dive-bombers and 16 Nakajima A2N3 Type 90 bi-plane fighters. At 0530, KAGA launches 12 B2M2 torpedo-bombers against Hangchow's (Hangchou) air bases, but they are intercepted by 21 of the CAF 4th Pursuit Group's "Hawk III" bi-plane fighters. Six B2M2 Type 89's are shot down, while another two are forced to ditch in Hangchow Bay. Two crewmen of one B2M2 are seen to bail out over the river, but do not survive."...! It sounds authentic enough to me! B2M2 (check fin shape) over China in 1937: Happy? Hope so... Thank Panoz alot! I also found this picture on web and it give me just more questions !!! This is looking neither like B2M1, neither B2M2!? I assume it was some variant between B2M1 and B2M2. Shape of the fin clearly is not so big and rounded like with B2M1, and it has fin root farther back than B2M2! And shade of the propeller is strange, looks like four blade propeller? Interesting is that appear like she wore IJA camouflage. Edited January 21, 2016 by boom.boom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panoz Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Thank Panoz alot! I also found this picture on web and it give me just more questions !!! This is not looking neither like B2M1, neither B2M2!? I assume it was some variant between B2M1 and B2M2. Shape of the fin clearly is not so big and rounded like with B2M1, and it has fin root farther back than B2M2! And shade of the propeller is strange, looks like four blade propeller? Interesting is that appear like she wore IJA camouflage. Cannot find mention of a version between B2M1 & B2M2 in Mikesh/Abe's Putnam book. Propeller looks to be three-bladed. Unfortunately I am not an expert in Japanese aircraft (although I occasionally play one in this forum ). The resident forum Japanese aircraft specialist who could answer your questions has either not seen this thread (or can't be bothered to reply)... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Millman Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 The photograph of the "B2M2" shown above is actually a Navy Type 92 Carrier Attack aircraft (B3Y1) with the four-bladed prop modification. A total of 130 were manufactured by Aichi, Watanabe and the Hiro Arsenal from a Yokosuka Navy Arsenal designed experimental prototype to a 1932 requirement. They are sometimes described as 'Kugisho' or 'Yokosho' B3Y. Still in service at the beginning of the Sino-Japanese War but soon replaced as they had been superceded by the 1934 requirement which produced the Yokosuka Type 96 B4Y. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kugisho_B3Y Choroszy Modelbud released it in 1/72 as kit # CM B09 Nick 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panoz Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 The photograph of the "B2M2" shown above is actually a Navy Type 92 Carrier Attack aircraft (B3Y1) with the four-bladed prop modification. Nick Many thanks for the correction. Must try harder next time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Millman Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Many thanks for the correction. Must try harder next time... You are welcome. That type is not so well known anyway as it was not from a mainstream manufacturer and although included in the Putnams book is therefore harder to find! Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boom.boom Posted January 21, 2016 Author Share Posted January 21, 2016 Unfortunately I am not an expert in Japanese aircraft (although I occasionally play one in this forum ). hahaha...and I am starting to enjoy the roll ! The photograph of the "B2M2" shown above is actually a Navy Type 92 Carrier Attack aircraft (B3Y1) with the four-bladed prop modification. A total of 130 were manufactured by Aichi, Watanabe and the Hiro Arsenal from a Yokosuka Navy Arsenal designed experimental prototype to a 1932 requirement. They are sometimes described as 'Kugisho' or 'Yokosho' B3Y. Still in service at the beginning of the Sino-Japanese War but soon replaced as they had been superceded by the 1934 requirement which produced the Yokosuka Type 96 B4Y. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kugisho_B3Y Choroszy Modelbud released it in 1/72 as kit # CM B09 Nick Tail, propeller, tail wheel, big radiator, camouflage,...equal Aichi B3Y1 Type92!!!! Thank You Nick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junchan Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 According to A PICTORIAL HISTORY OF JAPANESE NAVAL AIR FORCE by M. Nagaisi and M. Akimoto, 12 B2M2s from A/C carrier Kaga attacked Hangchow without fighter escort on 17 August 1937, but they were intercepted by enemy fighters and lost 11 aircraft out of 12. I found the original combat loss list of Kaga's Type 89 attackers in the National Archive Digital Library. 0000016.jpg 0000016_2.jpg The losses on 17 August 1937 were as follows. R-370 (c/n 295) Forced ditched in the river R-371 (c/n 270) Lost in combat R-372 (c/n 281) Lost in combat R-374 (c/n 271) Forced ditched in the sea R-375 (c/n 273) Crashed on the coast R-376 (c/n 252) Lost in combat R-377 (c/n 247) Lost in combat R-386 (c/n 265) Forced ditched in the river R-373 (c/n 272) was hit and damaged, but managed to return to Kaga. Cheers, Jun in Tokyo https://www.flickr.com/photos/horaburo/albums 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidnei E. Maneta Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Hi all. This link has many B2M2 from IJN Kaga during this attack. http://japanese-aviation.forumotion.com/t54-08-china-war-1937 Sidnei, from Brazil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 On 1/21/2016 at 4:35 AM, Nick Millman said: The photograph of the "B2M2" shown above is actually a Navy Type 92 Carrier Attack aircraft (B3Y1) with the four-bladed prop modification. A total of 130 were manufactured by Aichi, Watanabe and the Hiro Arsenal from a Yokosuka Navy Arsenal designed experimental prototype to a 1932 requirement. They are sometimes described as 'Kugisho' or 'Yokosho' B3Y. Still in service at the beginning of the Sino-Japanese War but soon replaced as they had been superceded by the 1934 requirement which produced the Yokosuka Type 96 B4Y. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kugisho_B3Y Choroszy Modelbud released it in 1/72 as kit # CM B09 Nick So good to hear you're still around, Nick! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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