CedB Posted January 12, 2016 Author Share Posted January 12, 2016 Hmmm. I've had another look at Garth's diagrams, the photos and the model. I'm not convinced Airfix have it wrong as the area in front of the panels does seem to be metal? The diagram has lines behind the panels, like the fabric on the rest of the wing? Here are some shots of the wings I have: Untitled by Ced Bufton, on Flickr I think on balance I'm going to be lazy, stick my fingers in my ears and go "OOB, OOB". I hope it doesn't offend too many people 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beard Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I think it's the area to the rear of the access panels that should be metal. There are several other threads on here about the issue. On the Hurricane I made, I taped around the area, filled it, sanded it and, wasn't happy with the result... you might be right to leave it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob85 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I left it, and was happy with it. As Simon said its the fabric directly behind the the gun panels that should be metal. I missed your post on the hurricane wheel well so didn't get chance to comment. I used ploy cement and got the top wing in place unglued and used it like a jig for mine it made it a lot less fiddley by the third one. Rob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 Thanks Simon and Rob - I shall leave it! Blenheim is out of the box and the holes for the bomb racks drilled. I found it tricky to angle the drill in the end of the grooves inside the fuselage and I hope they're straight Straight? by Ced Bufton, on Flickr One of them looks out of place to me... No doubt I can fiddle this later. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 Oh, I also blobbed some Liquid Green Stuff in those awful ejector marks - they may not be visible but I'm feeling, er, what's the word, pedantic? Four? by Ced Bufton, on Flickr I've ordered some sanding needles today - I put them on the shopping list after the MkI.F and now I remember why. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbudde Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Good to see you work so well. Watch it with interest. Gone a bit off here for a while. Just because of my truely second hobby love aside of plastic. Old diecast by siku, matchbox, schuco, corgie and so on. Just have to restore or refurbish some of them to get them shining again. A more difficult field, than I expected , but old memories haunted me for a while. So any help with techniques is very appreciated and a look at your work feels very convincing to get some ideas or tools. Cheers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrlx Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Hi Ced, That's what I call steady progress The care with the wing parts alignment will surely be time well spent. I was also very interested on the debate about the metal area behind the gun access panels. I'll have to search about that, as I'll be building this same Airfix Hurricane in a few weeks for the Hurricane STGB. Cheers Jaime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookenbacher Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 They're looking good Ced. I tried to convert the entire Hurricane wing to resemble a metal one. It's still sitting in the box with lots of putty on it. I guess it still has the potential to be successful, but I'm not throwing any stones at your caution regarding the metal area behind the guns. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 Good to see you work so well. Watch it with interest. Gone a bit off here for a while. Just because of my truely second hobby love aside of plastic. Old diecast by siku, matchbox, schuco, corgie and so on. Just have to restore or refurbish some of them to get them shining again. A more difficult field, than I expected , but old memories haunted me for a while. So any help with techniques is very appreciated and a look at your work feels very convincing to get some ideas or tools. Cheers Thanks bbudde. Die cast restoration sounds interesting, but beyond my experience... although I have fond memories of my Corgi cars when I was little. I can see why you're attracted and I hope it goes well. Hi Ced, That's what I call steady progress The care with the wing parts alignment will surely be time well spent. I was also very interested on the debate about the metal area behind the gun access panels. I'll have to search about that, as I'll be building this same Airfix Hurricane in a few weeks for the Hurricane STGB. Cheers Jaime Thanks Jaime - I'll watch out for your Hurricane and I hope this helps a bit They're looking good Ced. I tried to convert the entire Hurricane wing to resemble a metal one. It's still sitting in the box with lots of putty on it. I guess it still has the potential to be successful, but I'm not throwing any stones at your caution regarding the metal area behind the guns. Hi Cookie, I know what you mean! I watched the BoB builds with interest and reviewed the threads before I started. All that chopping, glueing and especially filling and sanding put me off 'conversion' and I just went for an old Airfix kit to bash for the GB - it's the 'chicken' in me A bit more done last night. Wing spars carefully fitted making sure the front and rear sections (where the fuselage will go) were flush. Airfix new-tool tolerances are great but care now will be rewarded later, I hope! Untitled by Ced Bufton, on Flickr That was all I managed. It was 'Blue Bloods' last night, one of my favourite programs... so I sat in front of 'the box' rather than the bench. I like this show... Tom Selleck as the NY Police Commissioner trying to do 'the right thing' while surrounded by political animals; there's always a moral (or three) and lots of good old family values. It also provides me with some exercise doing the air drums to the end of the opening music. Every little helps! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted January 15, 2016 Author Share Posted January 15, 2016 The sanding needles have arrived and, as hoped, have made fiddly little areas much easier to get at: Useful by Ced Bufton, on Flickr The combination of round section, flat / angled end and slightly flexible tip made it really easy to get into the awkward places on the fuselage interior. It was worth waiting for them. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookenbacher Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Thorough work Ced! I may 'forget' to sand out sink marks most of the time. Those sanding needles are handy alright. Another thing you can do is superglue a little strip of sand paper to the angle end - perfect for sanding wing roots and the like. I started gluing a little felt between the needle and the sandpaper so it has a little 'give'. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles87 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Late to the party as usual, but I'm here with my glass of wine and popcorn, well perhaps not the popcorn! Those sanding needles look good but perhaps I won't need them for the scales I build. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Also late to the party Ced, liking it so far, Sean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted January 16, 2016 Author Share Posted January 16, 2016 Thorough work Ced! I may 'forget' to sand out sink marks most of the time. Those sanding needles are handy alright. Another thing you can do is superglue a little strip of sand paper to the angle end - perfect for sanding wing roots and the like. I started gluing a little felt between the needle and the sandpaper so it has a little 'give'. Thanks Cookie - I do sometimes forget and, at my age, will probably forget more often in the future (that's my excuse!) Great tip on the sand paper, thanks. Late to the party as usual, but I'm here with my glass of wine and popcorn, well perhaps not the popcorn! Those sanding needles look good but perhaps I won't need them for the scales I build. John Welcome John The needles are also good for getting the sprue off frames - like Spitfire and Hurricane internals. Think about it next time? Also late to the party Ced, liking it so far, Sean Welcome Sean - thanks I've been separating and de-flashing the Blenheim internals for what seems like days, but finally I was ready to apply the aluminium to the Hurricane and Spitfire internals and also to some parts of the Hurri wing that I want to try the Chipping Medium* on. Aluminium by Ced Bufton, on Flickr I plan to let this dry as I need to mask up before applying the IG and black. I decided to use some decanted H24 rattle can for the prop tips so loaded up the AB and squirted away (it covers really well) but when I gave the AB a quick clean the Ultimate cleaner turned the paint to gloop and I had to strip down and clear the mess, which took ages: Untitled by Ced Bufton, on Flickr What's that all about? I had to use Humbrol enamel thinners in the end and was pushing yellow worms out of the nozzle again and again - weird! Anyway, I've now added the Blenheim bits to the pile of stuff that needs (some) masking and IG. Ready for IG and black by Ced Bufton, on Flickr Out for dinner and Theatre tonight (Lord of the Flies) so probably no more until tomorrow. Thanks for looking. * As Darby said in the 'What have you last pruchased' thread, not far from Chipping Norton. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrlx Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Hi Ced, Great progress, as always. I liked those sanding needles. Where did you get them from? Regarding the chipping fluid, I've come to the conclusion that chipping is a multi-step process. We shouldn't leave it to the end but do it when each paint coat is not too hard (when using several colours), even when using the chipping fluid. Certainly not after applying clear of flat coats. I will try this muti-step approach next time, as I'm not completely happy with my results so far. For AB cleaning I've found that nothing beats cellulose thinners, even when using acrylic paints. Did you like the play? I read "The Lord of the Flies" a few years ago and its a superb stark novel. Cheers Jaime Edited January 16, 2016 by jrlx 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 "pushing yellow worms out".............. I hope it's not contagious!! Sean 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Could of been worse, he could of been using brown paint!!!! Nice work Ced, just seen the thread and read through. I will follow along dear chap, if I may? Simon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob85 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 You definitely are cracking on with these ced. Nice work sorting out the sink mark, the clever tools appear to do the trick!! Rob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted January 17, 2016 Author Share Posted January 17, 2016 Hi Ced, Great progress, as always. I liked those sanding needles. Where did you get them from? Regarding the chipping fluid, I've come to the conclusion that chipping is a multi-step process. We shouldn't leave it to the end but do it when each paint coat is not too hard (when using several colours), even when using the chipping fluid. Certainly not after applying clear of flat coats. I will try this muti-step approach next time, as I'm not completely happy with my results so far. For AB cleaning I've found that nothing beats cellulose thinners, even when using acrylic paints. Did you like the play? I read "The Lord of the Flies" a few years ago and its a superb stark novel. Cheers Jaime Thanks Jaime The sanding needles are by Albion Alloys and I got mine here but they're on Amazon et al too. I went for the assorted pack to try them out. Thanks for the tips on chipping - I think your results are pretty good! I'll try it on the Hurricane; I've applied some aluminium to the wing roots and access panels but this will probably get covered by the primer so I'll do it again - multi-step as you suggest. Cellulose thinners for cleaning noted. "pushing yellow worms out".............. I hope it's not contagious!! Sean Yuk, so do I! Could of been worse, he could of been using brown paint!!!! Nice work Ced, just seen the thread and read through. I will follow along dear chap, if I may? Simon. Thanks Simon and of course you're welcome to follow along You definitely are cracking on with these ced. Nice work sorting out the sink mark, the clever tools appear to do the trick!! Rob Thanks Rob - I hope to get some more done today but we're out to lunch for a 60th birthday... I may, or may not, have alcohol! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 A cracking selection of subjects there Ced, thought I'd commented already but apparently not, keep up the great work 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted January 17, 2016 Author Share Posted January 17, 2016 Thanks Col IG and black sprayed while listening to the Archers omnibus. I like Sunday mornings! Sprayed! by Ced Bufton, on Flickr Interior detailing next - probably my favourite bit 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beard Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) Nice work, Ced. I have to disagree with your choice of listening though... I cannot bear The Archers. Edit: to correct spelling. Edited January 17, 2016 by Beard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob85 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Just to get in there first with chipping on the hurricane, and this may be a little wrong but, wing roots up to the gun bay were metal nose forward of the cockpit was also metal. Most areas from the CP back were wood that was doped or doped fabric. I will no doubt be corrected as I am not a technical wiz but the vast majority of my builds last year were hurricanes so I hope it's some help. Hope you drink responsibly....😐 Rob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Looking busy Ced. Just remember which part goes with which build LOL. Simon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Heath Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Just remember which part goes with which build. I was thinking that, good luck with keeping track of all the many parts involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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