jrlx Posted January 10, 2016 Posted January 10, 2016 Looking good, but the interior green used on the P-47 is a darker bluish green. HERE is a good example of the tone. This is a good read too if you unfamiliar with US aircraft. http://ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2004/01/stuff_eng_interior_colours_us.htm The Dull Dark Green / Interior Green combination discussed in the forum thread with the pictures applied to the P-47N. Does it also apply to the P-47D? Or was the "D" painted Interior Green all over the cockpit? Thanks for the ipms link. Very interesting and useful. Cheers Jaime
Biggles87 Posted January 10, 2016 Posted January 10, 2016 (edited) Good start on the cockpit. Tamiya AS12 comes in a rattle can, and it works well ( for me anyway ) if you mist it on in a couple of light coats, and they also do another called ' light gunmetal '. If you plan to continue on the US aircraft of WW II theme, I can also recommend an excellent book called Fighter Command by Jeffrey Ethell which has lots of contemporary colour photos of Mustangs and Lightnings as well as Thunderbolts. Cheers John PS I used AS12!on my Wildcat build, if you want to see the finish. Edited January 10, 2016 by Biggles87 1
wimbledon99 Posted January 10, 2016 Posted January 10, 2016 Nice start Stix. I was hoping to do the same this weekend but I have paint 'in the post'. Hopefully make a start in the week 1
giemme Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 Stix's back with a wingy thing build I'll take my seat and watch (great start so far) Ciao 1
DannyB Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 Excellent brush work stix! This is going to be a good one. 1
GREG DESTEC Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 Great start Stix. From reading up on the P-47 I have noted different production batches of this fighter underwent numerous small changes, one being the interior cockpit colours but you would have to know which batch your example came from to get it spot on. I recon you have went the right way by adopting a generic tone. The detail in your tamiya kit looks awesome. 1
trickyrich Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 Great start you've made Stix. The interior cockpit colour is open to a bit of debate from what I've been reading about it so far. Ranging from Dull Dark Green or Bronze Green to a mix of Zinc Chromate & Black in a 10:1 ratio (Interior Green). Though the "1944 Erection & Maintenance Instructions" for the C, D &G's quoted the mix as 1:1! Plus the Curtiss built ones, G's, had a different colour again! Then there were colour differences in the batches of primer used as well! so as long as you are in the general colour range of "Tinted Zinc Chromate Primer" (again from that listed manual) you are fine. Anyway, you're doing a fine job, keep it up. 3
PlaStix Posted January 12, 2016 Author Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) Good start on the cockpit. Tamiya AS12 comes in a rattle can, and it works well ( for me anyway ) if you mist it on in a couple of light coats, and they also do another called ' light gunmetal '. If you plan to continue on the US aircraft of WW II theme, I can also recommend an excellent book called Fighter Command by Jeffrey Ethell which has lots of contemporary colour photos of Mustangs and Lightnings as well as Thunderbolts. Cheers John PS I used AS12!on my Wildcat build, if you want to see the finish. Hi John. Thank you for the information about the paint - I remember your build and just checked it out - the finish on the metal surfaces does look good. At some point in the near future I'm going to try experimenting with brush painting some of the metal finish paints I've got on some scrap - to see if I'm happy with the results. Ideally I'm hoping it works okay - I think it would be good if us non-airbrush painters could just use hairy sticks for most finishes. If the experiments don't go well I will get hold of some AS12. I will check the book out. Thank you. Nice start Stix. I was hoping to do the same this weekend but I have paint 'in the post'. Hopefully make a start in the week Thank you Nigel - I'm looking forward to following your build when you get properly underway. Stix's back with a wingy thing build I'll take my seat and watch (great start so far) Ciao Certainly am! Thank you Giemme. Are you not going to join in and build a Thunderbolt? Excellent brush work stix! This is going to be a good one. Thank you Danny - you are very kind. Great start Stix. From reading up on the P-47 I have noted different production batches of this fighter underwent numerous small changes, one being the interior cockpit colours but you would have to know which batch your example came from to get it spot on. I recon you have went the right way by adopting a generic tone. The detail in your tamiya kit looks awesome. Thank you Greg. Yes there does seem to be a lot of debate about cockpit colours of these aircraft. I essentially went with one (of the many suggested colours) mentioned in the many articles that I had in stock! And I agree - the kit's detail is amazing. Great start you've made Stix. The interior cockpit colour is open to a bit of debate from what I've been reading about it so far. Ranging from Dull Dark Green or Bronze Green to a mix of Zinc Chromate & Black in a 10:1 ratio (Interior Green). Though the "1944 Erection & Maintenance Instructions" for the C, D &G's quoted the mix as 1:1! Plus the Curtiss built ones, G's, had a different colour again! Then there were colour differences in the batches of primer used as well! so as long as you are in the general colour range of "Tinted Zinc Chromate Primer" (again from that listed manual) you are fine. Anyway, you're doing a fine job, keep it up. Hi Rich and thank you. Thank you too for the information - there does seem to be a lot of variation in suggested colours. I think most of the photos I found via Google seemed to have a different colour variation between all cockpits. I'm going to stick with the colour I've got. There's a chance it may match perhaps one of the aircraft at the time!!! Looking forward to the weekend so I can get some more done! Kind regards, Stix Edited January 12, 2016 by PlaStix 2
giemme Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 Certainly am! Thank you Giemme. Are you not going to join in and build a Thunderbolt? Need to finish my F-4C, first . I'm not a multi-tasking person, unfortunately (or not? ) Not sure I'll have time to fit it into the GB, but I'll keep an eye on that Ciao 1
Cookenbacher Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 Excellent start (as usual for you) Stix! Your brush painting continues to amaze. To my eye, US Bronze green and Cockpit green look awfully close, and, like you say, after washes and under a canopy it's not going to be very noticeable. In watching a color documentary on the P-47 made during the war, some of the cockpits seem to have both Bronze green and Dark Dull green portions. And in Dana Bell's latest Corsair book, there is a contemporary picture of an F4U cockpit that also has portions in both Bronze green and Dark Dull green. What I'm trying to say is that I'm not judging! I'm joining this one too, just started it tonight. 1
PlaStix Posted January 14, 2016 Author Posted January 14, 2016 Excellent start (as usual for you) Stix! Your brush painting continues to amaze. To my eye, US Bronze green and Cockpit green look awfully close, and, like you say, after washes and under a canopy it's not going to be very noticeable. In watching a color documentary on the P-47 made during the war, some of the cockpits seem to have both Bronze green and Dark Dull green portions. And in Dana Bell's latest Corsair book, there is a contemporary picture of an F4U cockpit that also has portions in both Bronze green and Dark Dull green. What I'm trying to say is that I'm not judging! I'm joining this one too, just started it tonight. Hi Cookie and thank you for your comments. Yeah the cockpit colour does seem to be cause of much debate - and it's something I still have no more knowledge of despite having read through many of them! I'm sticking with what I've got! Good to hear you are going to be taking part in this GB - I look forward to checking out your thread once it's up and running! KInd regards, Stix 1
Biggles87 Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 If you think the cockpit colour has caused a few debates have a look at the ' wheel well colour ' debate on the WW II discussion thread, or perhaps not . I'll put in my twopence worth before it starts here, in period photos all the wheel wells appear to be zinc chromate yellow or green, with varying degrees,of wear and tear. Next instalment please. John 4
PlaStix Posted January 16, 2016 Author Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Hi John. Thank you for the information. About a week ago I managed to pick up some Humbrol Pale Yellow, No.81 - which is, apparently, their closest match to the zinc chromate yellow. It looks reasonable to me when comparing it to some of the photos I've got from Google. I'm going to stick with it, like the cockpit colours I've used, because it's paint 'in the hand'! This morning I started with this build intending only to do a small amount on it but I ended up doing a fair amount with the cockpit parts. Everything was given a dry brush with a lightened version of the base couloir: Humbrol's 117 before I began painting some of the details: Further work included giving the IP a coat of Pledge (modern version of Klear) before I applied the IP decal: I also applied some dry-brushed Aluminium to the seat and pedals: More tomorrow I hope. Comments and suggestions welcome. Kind regards, Stix Edited January 16, 2016 by PlaStix 7
trickyrich Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 hi Stix, that cockpit is very nicely done, it really shows up the nice moulding job Tamiya has done on the cockpit. 2
Arniec Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 That is a very nice paintjob. I love the details in it. Cheers, 1
giemme Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 hi Stix, that cockpit is very nicely done, it really shows up the nice moulding job Tamiya has done on the cockpit. I'm gonna have to second Rich comment here, on all counts. The cockpit is amazingly detailed, and you did a splendid job in painting it The IP is just great! Individual decals per each gauge? Ciao 1
sean Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 Looking good Stix, the cockpit parts have come out a treat, Sean 1
PlaStix Posted January 18, 2016 Author Posted January 18, 2016 hi Stix, that cockpit is very nicely done, it really shows up the nice moulding job Tamiya has done on the cockpit. Hi Rich - yeah I reckon it's the nicest detail in a cockpit that I've had the opportunity to work on and I'm really enjoying it. Tamiya have done an excellent job. That is a very nice paintjob. I love the details in it.Cheers, Thank you Arnold - I did a bit more on it yesterday - please see below. I'm gonna have to second Rich comment here, on all counts. The cockpit is amazingly detailed, and you did a splendid job in painting it The IP is just great! Individual decals per each gauge? Ciao Hi Giemme and thank you. The IP decal is the one that comes with the kit - it settled really well - I didn't cut it up - I haven't got the patience! I coated the IP with Pledge beforehand and used very hot water to soak it in and used Humbrol Decalfix once in place. With a bit of pressure from some kitchen roll paper it settled over the detail quite well. There are only a couple of places where it's perhaps not as flat as it could be. I then gave it a coat of thinned Humbrol matt varnish. Looking good Stix, the cockpit parts have come out a treat, Sean Thank you Sean. Yesterday I managed to get a lot less time on my modelling projects than I was hoping for but I did manage to do some more work in the cockpit area. First off I added a bit more painted detailing to the wall details and floor: I also got more painted details added to the IP and some gloss varnish on each of the dials: Next I glued the pedal unit and gun sight in place behing the IP: I was intending to do this build completely OOB but I have noticed there are a few obvious details missing in the cockpit which can be added quite easily - I used some styrene rod to make the control connections on the port side: I still need to add some cables here and there on both the walls and the floor. So the current state of play is: ....including some washes and dry-brushing on the fuselage walls: Hopefully next weekend I'll get the cockpit together, the wheel wells detailed and painted and possibly the fuselage halves together. Comments and suggestions welcome. Kind regards, Stix 9
trickyrich Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 Stix's that cockpit is as nice as any aftermarket one i've seen, you've done a really amazing job OOB, well done. I will have my cockpit in the post for you to do tomorrow! 1
giemme Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 Great job on the interiors, Stix! That IP is just outstanding, and the decal merged in beautifully, I can't see any imperfections there! Ciao 1
GREG DESTEC Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 Lovely work Stix, your detail painting is impeccable! I can never get IP decals to settle well, any tips?? 1
Phil Podmore Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 I love this kit. It's the kit that got me back into the hobby! 1
Biggles87 Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 I built the ' razorback ' version some years ago, and I'd forgotten how good the cockpit detail is from the box, especially when well painted like yours. I am seriously tempted to get another one if I come across a ridiculously cheap one. Whose harness are you using? Cheers John 1
PlaStix Posted January 18, 2016 Author Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) Stix's that cockpit is as nice as any aftermarket one i've seen, you've done a really amazing job OOB, well done. I will have my cockpit in the post for you to do tomorrow! Thank you Rich. Tamiya really did do themselves proud with this cockpit. Great job on the interiors, Stix! That IP is just outstanding, and the decal merged in beautifully, I can't see any imperfections there! Ciao Thank you Giemme - I'm hoping the fact that this decal worked so nicely that the chequer decal for the nose works just as well. Lovely work Stix, your detail painting is impeccable! I can never get IP decals to settle well, any tips?? Thank you Greg. I first painted the IP with matt Anthracite from Revell. Then I very lightly dry-brushed it all with Revell's Aluminium to give the dials a bit more definition. Then I gave it a coat of Pledge (modern Klear) which I left to dry for a fair while. Then I trimmed the decal as close as I could to the dial details and then soaked the decal in very hot water (not boiling!). I gave the IP panel a splash of Humbrol's Decalfix and then slid the decal into place. Once in place I carefully mopped up any excess liquid and then used a folded piece of kitchen roll paper to push the decal firmly into place - trying to make sure I didn't dislodge it. Once it was as far into the details as possible I applied a final coat of Decalfix and left it to dry. Once dry I gave it all a thinned coat of Humbrol's matt varnish before adding some Humbrol gloss varnish on the dials. HTH. I love this kit. It's the kit that got me back into the hobby! It is beautifully detailed. I built the ' razorback ' version some years ago, and I'd forgotten how good the cockpit detail is from the box, especially when well painted like yours. I am seriously tempted to get another one if I come across a ridiculously cheap one. Whose harness are you using? Cheers John Thank you John. Yes I'd get one if you can get it cheap. The harness is the Tamiya decal which I cut out, gave it a coat of matt varnish and painted the edges the same colour at the faces of the straps. I still need to tone down the two yellow straps as they are a bit bright. It's not perfect but I think it looks better like this than as a normal decal. I didn't want to use an aftermarket version (I'm trying to do most of this build OOB) and figured I'd end up spending too long on it if I made them out of masking tape and wire - a method I have used in the past with one of my Spitfires. Kind regards, Stix Edited January 18, 2016 by PlaStix 2
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