Banny Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 'Morning y'all. I stumbled on this album when googling this kit for some guidance (from above). First let me say I am in awe - I only wish I'd got interested in auto-modelling before my fingers morphed into sausages. However, I am now well into my 3rd 1/12 F1 build, Tamiya's Williams FW14B. I am really pleased with my rate of improvement with each build. I read with interest the comments regarding the cost of the Italeri Fiat 806 kit, and the problems with late delivery - I was extremely lucky to pick one up with a slightly damaged box, for £99. I had planned to build it oob, but having read and seen some of your work, I might develop a plan B (but definitely without upgrading the wheels!). I must complete my FW14B first (about 3 weeks to go). If you don't mind, I'll follow with much interest your work - if by some small chance, I make some progress of which I feel chuffed, I'll post a photo. In the meantime, many thanks for the enjoyment so far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Andi Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) Morning Banny - good to have you aboard - that's why we opened this Gangshow build thread ... to involve and support all participants. You build your own project at the pace and level that you feel comfortable with, you get to see and watch those around you build theirs and all things being equal hopefully learn a bit of something (if only how NOT to tackle a particular assembly) perhaps be a little inspired take on something you would not of considered previously and generally share in the collective wisdom of the group. Feel free at any opportunity to post your progress or any issues/questions you might have - s'wat it's all about. PS ..... I think you did good on your price - I think most will agree that anything much above is a bit tough to swallow - I know I do, but it was my choice hit the "buy" button. They might even come down a bit more eventually which is why I tend not to check ... nothing worse than rubbing your own nose in it is there??? pps ..... edited for typo's. Edited February 17, 2016 by Little Andi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vontrips Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 OK guys, part 81c, the engine sump: What do we think those four raised cylinders are? Ejector pins or jacking pads? Either way, I'm tempted to remove them! Loads of fin damage in the mould...identical marks on the Protar version in front of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jnkm13 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Vontrips, I didn't really bother with removing the 'pads'. Isn't it weird that there isn't a bottom cover for the engine? Wouldn't they be afraid of damages to the engine? Banny, Great to have you on board. I'm more or less building this OOB due to the lack of reference. For the price, the Mefistofele is a way better deal. Regards, Jeremy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Andi Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 Trips .................. I'm wholly on the side of those being ejection gates - and aren't they awful? I hadn't even looked at the engine sprue and after you posted this I had a quick shuftie .................. DEAR LORD, there are gate marks all over everything. It's atrocious, at this stage I can only guesstimate the amount of time that's going to take to clear up and put right. At it's current rate this is beginning to make the Heller Citroen Avant look like a breeze. Now I'm not one to grumble about kits as a rule, and simply because I think of myself as a modeller (?) and that's what we do ... and enjoy (perversely). But the price they're asking for this kit is beginning to look speculative at best, I think if you are new to this type of kit or situation the first thing you must learn and practice often is patience. Not as glib as it sounds because it really is a "wax on, wax off" moment in your progress as an adult modeller ...................... having said that I bet I misplace mine on more occasions than I'd care to admit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vontrips Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Yes Andi, it's quiet shocking! I'm surprised how many quality builders leave them untouched. Some are so deep I think some modellers think they are details that would be on the original castings, especially on the supercharger parts. Not sure how I'll fill them as I don't like any of the fillers. Can't go my CA + microbaloon route as some are very tricky to access for sanding. May resort to Green Stuff, but can't find my stash right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Andi Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 Found some time, and had a bit of a play, as much to make sure something can be done about these gates and the like, and if successful then to post results as some kind of proof!!! (I can be such an idiot on occasion). Well, I had a go, and I think it was fairly successful a conclusion, took the opportunity to smooth some of those fins out while I was about it, chopped the gate off the drain plug and added some height for effect more than anything. Now I know most of this if any will not be seen once it's on the shelf but there's the whole personal pride thing going on here - plus it's an excellent opportunity to have a go at this kind of stuff without too much risk to sensitive visual areas. Just above the sump you can see the supercharger halves, now being equally circumspect (bottom half) I'm going to try and fill the gates with small styrene discs (2.6mm) -I was lucky it just turned out to be a close size to a punch I happen to have: These will take a little time to dry/cure but should be a lot easier to work with a chisel or graver at some later point. I could equally end up going back to acrylic filler and riffler file yet though?? Oh, and I'll deal with those manky fins as well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vontrips Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 (edited) Nice work; looks so much better! When painted those gates look awful as soon as you turn the car over. Gives an immediate effect of looking like a diecast! A tip for filing narrow slots like the fins, if you don't have small files. I attach wet and dry paper onto old 10a scalpal blades with double sided tape. They're perfect for sanding into very tight corners and no they don't cut your fingers. I even use Stanley knife blades for the big stuff! When you get used to the idea try another grade on the other side of the blade...very handy! Edited February 18, 2016 by vontrips 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vontrips Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 (edited) Met up with Pocherman (Arthur) and some of his auto modelling club at a show at the weekend. His pal brought his 806 along especially. He's made a beautiful job on the running gear as he intended the bodywork to be removable. I'm especially impressed with the fuel tank which he scratched from ally sheet...lovely! More pics later! Edited February 18, 2016 by vontrips 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Andi Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 Probably a bit of a random question - But, it's the East Midland (Hinckley) show on the 13th March ....... anyone of us guys going? I know I am, so's Steve ....... just thought we could make a point of meeting up. It's a very good show - large with a lot of traders, club tables aplenty. I usually use this show to bulk out my supplies and sundries. Just a thought .............. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banny Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Are you sure Hinkley is on the 13th? IThe February issue of Airfix mag says it's on the 6th. As Hinkley is just down the road from me and it's my favourite show, I'll almost certainly be there (just one potential obstacle to overcome!). If you are meeting up, what's your identifier, rose in the lapel? While I think of it, if anyone needs reference photos of any of the F1 cars at the Donnington Museum, let me know - I seem to be there nearly every month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Andi Posted February 21, 2016 Author Share Posted February 21, 2016 Banny .... just double checked and on their website it says the 13th - even on a pic' of the show flyer ....... So - 13th of March 2016 is the actual date. It's the last one at the current venue and as such is the end of an era, this alone will ensure my attendance. And if you scroll back through the thread there's a pic' of me and Steve - that'll do for a start, other than that look for a couple of little blokes running around like overly excited children. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharknose156 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Enjoy gentlemen. Wish i can join. i will be across the channel where i live or even much further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vontrips Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) Afraid I can't do it either. If I do too many shows in a year my brian will pop! Talking of shows; more Fiat porn from the Midhurst show last week: Lots of nice details here, which I managed to miss with my incompetent camera phone skills! I especially like the steering column support. To me it looks spot on, with lightening holes in just the right places. Needless to say, I'll be copying this like a pantagraph! Edited February 21, 2016 by vontrips 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banny Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 OK Little Andi - gotcher! I'll make sure my specs' are clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Andi Posted February 22, 2016 Author Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) Now for any newbies that are quietly watching ...................... here is something you must not do ... ever. Because if you do you will be a complete and utter bloody idiot! Guess who forgot that he'd put the plated parts in an Acetone bath then?? Wouldn't mind but I'd already got the plating off with a bleach bath that i'd kept a very close eye on. Came off a treat but I noticed it had left the clear thick undercoat still on - after testing it and noting that it dissolved said goopy layer, I promptly put it into the acetone bath and then went off to do all those things I should be doing ...... you know - Washing up, load into the dryer, plant the Sweet Peas, Hoover the Lounge and Kitchen Dusting .... you get the idea? It was only as I went to bed that I sat at the bench thinking "is there anything I can do that will dry or set overnight"? .................. And that's when I quite absent mindedly thought "ooo- Acetone, that's unusual" And then of course it dawned on me - with some trepidation I lifted the lid on the bath: pretty much all of the plated parts that are meant for the engine were nought but a slimy mess at the bottom of the dish - I managed to save (I know) the rocker covers. So there, let this be a lesson to you all - do not try and mix bench time with real life - they don't like each other!!!!! I'm not sure whether I'm going to glue the bonnet shut or scratch the components I need (All of the them). ............................................. Edited February 22, 2016 by Little Andi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vontrips Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) OMG, as my youngster would say! I had the same problem with the clear coat. Had to get it off as it had runs in it, which you could see under the plating. Got the chrome off with Mr. Muscle oven cleaner, which left the clear intact. Overnight soak in the stuff for a second time softened the clear, which came off on patches. Ended up persuading it to come off with cocktail sticks and a bit of burnishing. Doesn't help you much though! Hoping to make the moulds for tyres today. Do you want me to cast the covers too, whilst I'm at it?! ;-) Edited February 22, 2016 by vontrips 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banny Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Had a similar disaster with some components for my FW14B. Luckily I met and got chatting to Tony Jones (he of Garagistas) and by coincidence he had a spare set which he kindly gave me. I assume they are from your Fiat 806 kit - bummer! There's always the Hobby Company 'spares' route! What's another £20 on top of the £149! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jnkm13 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Sorry to hear of this problem. Happened to me before too. When i did my Mefistofele, i screwed up my decals BIG TIME. I emailed Italeri to check if i could buy a spare decal from them, and they said any sprues / decals from new kits are available for sale. So i'm sure you can get that particular sprue from them if required. Regards, Jeremy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Andi Posted February 22, 2016 Author Share Posted February 22, 2016 Do you want me to cast the covers too, whilst I'm at it?! ;-) John ... would you really do that? ............. It would make my life a lot easier as I was going to try and scratch a set up - but truthfully most every plated part that fits on the engine was in that bath. Most of which I could with some effort scratch up. But those cam covers with all those bolt heads was always going to be a real pain. I would be ever so grateful if it isn't too much trouble. Thanks. ................................... (I'm still so bloody angry with myself - "rookie mistake" trying to be a grown-up again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vontrips Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) No probs Andi! Just tweaking the tyre halves now ready for rubber this afternoon anyway. I'll do all three covers as simple open moulds. I'll do them on thin card so you have a thin lip (flash) to guide you sanding the backs level. Will make sense when you see them! I'll leave the sprue tab marks too so you can clean the edges to your liking. Edited February 22, 2016 by vontrips 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Andi Posted February 22, 2016 Author Share Posted February 22, 2016 No probs Andi! Just tweaking the tyre halves now ready for rubber this afternoon anyway. I'll do all three covers as simple open moulds. I'll do them on thin card so you have a thin lip (flash) to guide you sanding the backs level. Will make sense when you see them! I'll leave the sprue tab marks too so you can clean the edges to your liking. Appreciate it John, I feel a bit more like tackling the other stuff now ... (must admit the bottom lip was out somewhat)... obviously let me know your out of pocket expenses etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickd Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Von trips can't fault you for helping out Andi with his dilemma, "nice one" 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vontrips Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) Ready for rubber Andi. I'll cast you a couple of magneto caps too. You probably have not realised you need them yet! Edited February 22, 2016 by vontrips 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Andi Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 Ready for rubber Andi. I'll cast you a couple of magneto caps too. You probably have not realised you need them yet! Thanks John ................ The Magneto caps are a bonus - thanks, another part I was going to replace with a scratch. I had realised the kit ones were going to be a problem and I must admit I'm not in love with any of the French manufacturers affinities with casting such stuff out of that weird manky rubber. I was going through the melted parts yesterday and I'm pretty convinced that I can replace the rest of it OK (ish) - as luck would have it most is buried up against the cockpit end and far less likely to be seen - no excuses but it makes my embarrassment a little easier. It appears you're becoming the resident caster of the group (yay) .... I just wish I could make sense of it .... could never get it in the mould before the damn stuff went off - a lesson in abject frustration. And for me personally it was just too expensive an exercise to keep getting wrong so I took the more laborious way out of scratching things up - the tedium was mind numbing on occasion though. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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