faakeith Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) When 845 deployed their aircraft for GW1 they were in the process of adding various mods hence why some pictures show them fitted and some don't. They were flown to Southampton docks minus FOD deflectors and had EAPS/SNIPS fitted at Al Jubail along with other mods once they were unloaded from Atlantic Conveyor 2. Invasion stripes were added to the aircraft while at KKMC by hand with gloss paint, this is the reason that some airframes then went to help the Kurds still had the stripes but had had the pink paint washed off. You will also need to remember that 848 were operating alongside 845 with 846 operating from other sites, 845 cabs never had Union Flags anywhere on the airframes nor to the best of my knowledge did any 848 cabs. I think 846 were the only ones to apply them. Edited January 23, 2016 by faakeith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Keith, That bit is the other part of the ADF ....the quadrant thingy....can't remember its proper name but it is very old and mega confusing to explain....it just works.yes to right left glidepath and the duckbill on the nose is high low glide path as for VUHF aerials ....don't think It matters to modellers its just a blade aerial. I was on 848 the rag bag squadron that did all the work! I wouldn't put any AP pics on here people do look.That's why I won't comment on later stuff even though it's more or less available elsewhere.just my advise not trying to be clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakub Cikhart Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Fantastic info, big big thanks !! I updated the info with the pics, and will update my site asap. Keith - is it possilble that all airframes had the EAPS installed during conflict ? (except thos two airframes still in green camo) I know that on Chinooks the EAPS lowered the engine output - did the Seakings has same problem with EAPS ? what about the interior ? seats installed/removed ? GPMG with gun mount on all airframes ? thanks !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakub Cikhart Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) Hi gents, I am adding one more pic, this time it is scan of instructions and it is of the bottom of the fuselage. Can you recheck the antennas ? Thanks !! 1 - V tac 2 - VAIR 3 - lower UHF 4 - "towel rack" ADF antenna 5 - I band transponder 6 - ?? 7 - fuel dump 8 - M-130 9 - strobe light ? 10 - radar altimeter antennas ? 11 - ?? 12 - ?? 13 - ?? (not used in Gulf according to pics) 14 - ?? Edited January 25, 2016 by Jakub Cikhart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakub Cikhart Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Article updated with freshy released Eduard PE parts. I think they are worth it. But, exerior set is missing rear view mirrors .. bummer ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faakeith Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Fantastic info, big big thanks !! I updated the info with the pics, and will update my site asap. Keith - is it possilble that all airframes had the EAPS installed during conflict ? (except thos two airframes still in green camo) I know that on Chinooks the EAPS lowered the engine output - did the Seakings has same problem with EAPS ? what about the interior ? seats installed/removed ? GPMG with gun mount on all airframes ? thanks !! You are welcome. All aircraft had EAPS/SNIPS eventually, these were fitted at Al Jubail. Not sure when 846/848 a/c had theirs fitted. I believe it did lower power output and the throttle valve were opened more to compensate. All seats remained in place and all MK4's have the mounting plate fitted for the GPMG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faakeith Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Jakub, Will get you an answer regarding the aerials soon as I can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Jakub, Don't need rear view mirrors when fitted with ALQ ....although sometimes they are .....as an oversight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faakeith Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Can't have mirrors fitted with ALQ as it can damage eye sight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakub Cikhart Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Hmm, interestning info, but: on my site, pic of ZF118, it has installed ALQ AND the rear view mirrors. Mistake ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faakeith Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Yes mirrors should be removed when jammers are installed. If the jammers are removed the frames remain in place and the mirrors are re fitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakub Cikhart Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Also, I found out that the ALQ frames are two different types - one has circular lightening holes in the sides and one has one large hole - why two types ? The Eduard PE has the one with circular holes, which is not correct for Gulf version, oh well .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faakeith Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Not sure, the only thing I can think of is perhaps they added strenghthening plates but put holes in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faakeith Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Jakub, All my references to the ALQ157 mountings show square section tubing for the mounting during the Gulf War 1991 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakub Cikhart Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Got my copy of Airfix Seaking today. There are many parts in sprues which are not in instructions, e.g. Decca antenna and nose "long" Prophet antennas Shapewise the kit is nice, but the detail is quite soft. Ordered Eduard PE so will try to tweak it up. Btw, any pic of cocpit area showing pedals. And, is it possible that there were two types of pilot seats ? Classic old and newer up-armored with side armor panels ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moaning dolphin Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Got my copy of Airfix Seaking today. There are many parts in sprues which are not in instructions, e.g. Decca antenna and nose "long" Prophet antennas Shapewise the kit is nice, but the detail is quite soft. Ordered Eduard PE so will try to tweak it up. Btw, any pic of cocpit area showing pedals. And, is it possible that there were two types of pilot seats ? Classic old and newer up-armored with side armor panels ? I worked them in 1990 briefly and they didn't have the armoured seat then, just the regular one. I wanted to backdate mine to then (VN of 846 my cab) but I may have quite a bit of work to do. I think they changed them over during the gulf war Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger331 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Hi there, I've received some great reference material (Thanks Beefy) for the Sea King HC.4 but I now have a question about the Airfix kit. I'm looking to model ZF118 circa 1993, when it was fitted with the majority of Post Gulf War 1 DAS mods. I notice the new Airfix kit has two parts (F22/23) which do not appear on the assembly instructions and look remarkably like the smaller fairings found on the nose panel, which were replaced with much larger fairings on the later cabs that are featured in the Airfix kit (utilizing parts F17/18). Can anyone confirm if I can actually use parts F22/23 ?….Do they look like the right parts ?. I'm also looking to use parts F24/25 only on the rear fuselage, omitting parts F15/16, F31/32 and F33. Thanks for sharing the revised diagram for Step 48 (above) too…most helpful. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyf117 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 (edited) Content withdrawn - I will NOT be threatened by a moderator, simply because I queried the actions of another... Edited June 27, 2020 by andyf117 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakub Cikhart Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Hi there, I've received some great reference material (Thanks Beefy) for the Sea King HC.4 but I now have a question about the Airfix kit. I'm looking to model ZF118 circa 1993, when it was fitted with the majority of Post Gulf War 1 DAS mods. I notice the new Airfix kit has two parts (F22/23) which do not appear on the assembly instructions and look remarkably like the smaller fairings found on the nose panel, which were replaced with much larger fairings on the later cabs that are featured in the Airfix kit (utilizing parts F17/18). Can anyone confirm if I can actually use parts F22/23 ?….Do they look like the right parts ?. I'm also looking to use parts F24/25 only on the rear fuselage, omitting parts F15/16, F31/32 and F33. Thanks for sharing the revised diagram for Step 48 (above) too…most helpful. Mark Hey, parts F22/F23 ARE the nose mounted pair of the newer Prophet RWRs, and YES, they are not mentioned in the instructions, same with the DECCA navigational antenna (part C28). I just updated my page with latest info I have. I have the kit, soft details, will need to use the newly released Eduard PE and probably some parts from other kits (I will use the rotor head + blades from the older Revell Mk.41 kit). Can you share the ref material you got ? Thx. Jakub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders154 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Hey, parts F22/F23 ARE the nose mounted pair of the newer Prophet RWRs, and YES, they are not mentioned in the instructions, same with the DECCA navigational antenna (part C28). I just updated my page with latest info I have. I have the kit, soft details, will need to use the newly released Eduard PE and probably some parts from other kits (I will use the rotor head + blades from the older Revell Mk.41 kit). Can you share the ref material you got ? Thx. Jakub You also need to find a couple of "grab handle" airels for the rear Rodders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakub Cikhart Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Yes, those antennas are mentioned in my "how-to" article, you can get them from Revell kit or just use some thin wire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat C Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Jakob - just to say thanks for your work on collating the info on Gulf War Sea Kings and generally for your superb site which I have been using as a reference for several years now! Updating the Airfix Puma with thanks to your pics! Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faakeith Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Jakob, there is a very good Sea King book by Patrick Allen. It has lots of pictures of GW1 Sea Kings and explains why somexare green with battle stripes etc..... I also now have a picture which labels all the aerials and sensors fitted to todays mk4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faakeith Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Hi there, I've received some great reference material (Thanks Beefy) for the Sea King HC.4 but I now have a question about the Airfix kit. I'm looking to model ZF118 circa 1993, when it was fitted with the majority of Post Gulf War 1 DAS mods. I notice the new Airfix kit has two parts (F22/23) which do not appear on the assembly instructions and look remarkably like the smaller fairings found on the nose panel, which were replaced with much larger fairings on the later cabs that are featured in the Airfix kit (utilizing parts F17/18). Can anyone confirm if I can actually use parts F22/23 ?….Do they look like the right parts ?. I'm also looking to use parts F24/25 only on the rear fuselage, omitting parts F15/16, F31/32 and F33. Thanks for sharing the revised diagram for Step 48 (above) too…most helpful. Mark Mark, ZF118 would have been at Portland circa 1993 and, without looking at pictures, probably wasnt modified at all. She may have had the two seperate sensor mountings on the nose if anything. The larger single sensor box certainly came very much later. You also need to find a couple of "grab handle" airels for the rear Rodders Rodders, the grab handles on the tail cone are vorils aerials and line the aircraft up along the centre line of the runway. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakub Cikhart Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 To faakeith: yeah, I know that book, I am emailing with Len from UK about the Sea Kings, he was very helpful and sent me scans of the book and some other books too. I am trying to make my site 100% correct on it. Got my kit on Monday and found more problematic spots there, will try to make pics and address the issues. e.g. the M-130 chaff/launchers in the kit are total joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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