Geoff_B Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Just wondering if there has been any further clarification since the SDSR on the planned P-8A requirement ? Its come to light that the Shadow force will be expanded from 5 airframes to 8 by converting one of the Super King Air trainers already in service and by purchasing an extra pair of new built aircraft. In the same Flight article it mentions that the Sentinel fleet may drop from 5 to 4 airframes at the end of next year although that may change as they also say the P-8 buy won't have provision for the AAS system for overland surveillance initially. An interesting choice of words which makes me wonder if additional P-8's may be acquired with the AAS capability to directly replace Sentinel that can then also complement the MPA force as opposed to compromise it ? Just wondered it anybody else had seen anything with additional information on the procurement, as like most things the devil is in the detail and I guess we won't get much until a deal is signed for the actual purchase. https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/extended-raf-shadow-fleet-to-include-trainer-convers-419937/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Foster60 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Thank you for sharing the informitive article. I think you will find the full details of the review are still being worked out. I do not think contracts have been awarded, the SDR was a list of intentions at that point. If contract discussions do not go as intended I am sure what has been planned will change in detail or even substance. Dare I say that it was for public consumption at that moment in time? Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff_B Posted December 12, 2015 Author Share Posted December 12, 2015 Oh i know much of SDSR is intentionally vague, as the devil is in the detail with these things, the interseting bit is how much donkey work has actually been done in the background, somwtimes little to none, others quite a bit as the Shadow expansion shows. Anyway just as as i ask i see that the Minister is in the US meeting his counterpart and discussing the P-8 issue ! http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/2015/12/11/fallon-carter-p8-russia-submarine-uk/77157960/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Foster60 Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 One interesting thing about this area of the SDR is the platforms and uses. With Sentinal and Poseiden there appears to be some overlap, especially if the P8 develops overland capability. The Shadow and the RAF/ AAC Islanders must also have some overlap. The Europeans, Germany, France and ourselves may have missed a trick by not developing the A330 for AEW and Rivet Joint activities. It will be interesting to see how this all turns out. Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLC1966 Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 The Europeans, Germany, France and ourselves may have missed a trick by not developing the A330 for AEW and Rivet Joint activities. It will be interesting to see how this all turns out. Nigel Genuine question, do you think there would be an apptite from those two nations for a Rivet Joint type A330 ? Maybe France but I am not sure Germany will want to spend the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Report that we might lease 2 P-8s. https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/3306-2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmatthewbacon Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 It always amazes me how much discussion in this area focuses on the airframes. You'd think in this day and age, where Google can deploy a cloud platform anywhere in the world by dropping off a shipping container and connecting it to power and cooling, that 90% of the effort would be in the computing and sensor bit, and 10%or less in the "scabbing it onto an airframe" element. All you have to worry about is available power and "field of view" of the sensor arrays... bestest, M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Basically that's because airframes are more interesting to look at, and are the platform that everything else depends upon. 90% of the effort is indeed in the "computing" - the Command Control Communications and intelligence. Probably much the same percentage of cost. However, there is much more to it than just scabbing on a few antennae. You mention power and cooling, but ensuring non-interference is even more of a problem, And the integration of any single system into the overall package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_modeller Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) Been announced this week at least 3 will be in service by 2020, starting from 2017, and we may get 2 leased from the US even sooner. Nice to see the UK Govt. give something the right priority for once. An island nation without maritime patrol capabilities is preposterous... https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/three-maritime-patrol-aircraft-to-be-in-service-by-2020/ Edited December 22, 2015 by alpine_modeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Foster60 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Should not have happened in the first place, we are an island nation. Very glad commom sense has taken hold. Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Wonder if the UK camo/paint scheme will be the same as the US Navy's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeR Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Probably, considering the scheme on the RC-135's. Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Pulfrew Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 and we may get 2 leased from the US even sooner. T'wud appear not. http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2016/01/21229-maritime-patrol-aircraft-answered/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phildagreek Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptormodeller Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I wonder what specialities THESE P8's will have compared to ya' bog standard american off-the-shelf jet.... mmmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 A price hike? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Foster60 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Shades of how the Nimrod project was scuppered? Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I wonder what specialities THESE P8's will have compared to ya' bog standard american off-the-shelf jet.... mmmmmm. A tea urn would be the most likely - the P-8 mission system has it's roots in the one designed for the Nimrod MRA4, British aircrew are already flying the P-8 (And put together a scratch team which won the USN anti-submarine competition) so I'd imagine the aircraft would be pretty much OTS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardPrice Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Shambles. Why is it a shambles? The leasing was only ever a rumour, which has now been dispelled - we have no negative news on the purchase itself, so thats still going ahead as planned... Cant really call the government not sticking to a rumour a "shambles" really, imho... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlamgat9 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I wonder what specialities THESE P8's will have compared to ya' bog standard american off-the-shelf jet.... mmmmmm. A MAD boom like the Indians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMK Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Random one: can P-8s carry LGB or JDAM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMK Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 The first RAAF example has been delivered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatbox8 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 So the RAAF is getting 15? I wonder whether the RAF will place a follow on order in the future. Bearing in mind that the RN is going to have ships with no anti-ship missile for the foreseeable future they will need all the maritime support they can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 RAAF is also getting Triton (Global hawk based Maritime UAV), with an option on more P8s in future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMK Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Nice RAAF pic: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/gregoryknowles2001/9859C766-C383-4A7A-B173-0EDE2A4AB8F7_zpsyznpnlmd.jpg[/IMG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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