-Neu- Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 If I hear some rumours correctly we are purchasing these from the US Navy, not Boeing. That, plus the design changes to the basic 737 airframe, should make the UK Airworthiness case interesting.... Peter That's the case for almost everything you buy from the US. Its called the Foreign Military Sales process. There is no difference in what you receive from the Boeing, but you get a lot of valuable stuff with it from the US Government. If you want to understand the benefits of FMS over "direct commercial military sales" there is a recent study in Canada that discusses that: http://www.journal.forces.gc.ca/vol15/no4/PDF/CMJ154Ep30.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascoteer Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I always thought the Nimrod would make a great airliner. Look at all that baggage space. On Nimrod the Nos 5 and 6 fuel tanks occupied the original Comet baggage holds. The bomb bay (while the longest of any aircraft ever built) wasn't really that deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 The bomb bay (while the longest of any aircraft ever built) wasn't really that deep. I remember going to Mildenhall in the 80's and the heavens opened. Everyone surged past the flimsy rope barrier and stood under a Nimrod bomb bay. It was deep enough for me to stand up. In the next cloud burst I mobbed a US Army Chinook and noticing that wedged in the netting was a £1.99 broom! Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascoteer Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 You must be very short then Max. I am 5'7" and there is no way I could stand upright in the Nimrod bomb bay (and I would warrant I have spent a fair more time in there than you have). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I'm 5'9"! Maybe I stooped a bit (it was three decades ago )but I I don't recall being bent double. I 'think' I may even have taken a photo. Probably can't find it though!) Trevor who suddenly feels old..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascoteer Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 It was 25 odd years ago that I was on the Grimrod so aye I feel your pain about being old! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I notice you called them 'Grimrods'. In the Merseyside Aviation Society we referred to them as 'Dereks', as in Derek Nimmo. For anyone under 40...... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Nimmo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff_B Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I suspect we may have to wait a for the details, the SDSR is the strategic plan, the MOD have obviously held talks with the US,USN, Boeing about the Poseidon availability, features and price. Now its been agreed in policy they now have to agree the contract and that's when we'll get the real details of how many, when and maybe who will operate them. The interesting one to watch for is if any options are offered for additional airfames as part of the contract as those would not likely expire until at least after the next scheduled SDSR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 If it does go Govt to Govt sale (Rather than the RAF ordering direct from Boeing), first indication of that is likely to be an FMS declaration. e.g.:http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/united-kingdom-ah-64e-apache-guardian-attack-helicopters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Foster60 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I wonder if the USN have enough aircraft to be able to lend the RAF 2/3 for a year or two to use the RAF crews that have been flying with them whilst begining to train others. As the RAF must reduce the USN tasking even if only marginally it must be in everybodies interest. Lets hope sensible heads prevail. Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 One would imagine USN could even base training aircraft/crews over here with them, affording us cover at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) One would imagine USN could even base training aircraft/crews over here with them, affording us cover at the same time. Win-win: the Russian navy has obligingly provided targets for them free of charge. Edited November 27, 2015 by Seahawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 ATL2 sub-hunting off Scotland I've heard that Aéronavale is sending Atlantique 2 to the UK each time one of your SSBN is going in or out of Faslane, this since about 2010. Can someone confirm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Foster60 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 There is nothing quite like advertising whats going on! Must be one of Cpt Blackadders cunning plans. ( Baldrick must have been busy brushing his hair to make the cappuccino when they thought of that one!) Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 ATL2 sub-hunting off Scotland I've heard that Aéronavale is sending Atlantique 2 to the UK each time one of your SSBN is going in or out of Faslane, this since about 2010. Can someone confirm? Not always Atlaniques -sometimes USN or RCAF P-3s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 When I saw the Atlantiques on the tv the other day I had assumed this to be a product of the bi lateral agreement we signed a couple of years ago. Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 You must be very short then Max. I am 5'7" and there is no way I could stand upright in the Nimrod bomb bay (and I would warrant I have spent a fair more time in there than you have). What is this bomb bay you talk of on the Nimrod. Ours did not have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 What is this bomb bay you talk of on the Nimrod. Ours did not have one. Storage space for DCS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlamgat9 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Not always Atlaniques -sometimes USN or RCAF P-3s Cringeworthy really. And for another 5 years to come it would seem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Five years, oh dear, enough time for the number to be cut or cancelled then, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Martin Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Exactly, lefty Jeremy will cancel everything he can the day he gets in - its been done before... PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasermonkey Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 IBTL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Pulfrew Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 ATL2 sub-hunting off Scotland I've heard that Aéronavale is sending Atlantique 2 to the UK each time one of your SSBN is going in or out of Faslane, this since about 2010. Can someone confirm? Antonine. The answer to your question is yes and no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg B Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Closed- politics again.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts