thepureness Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Hi everyone. After just finishing the Airfix Shackleton which was glorious I felt like building a similar aircraft from a different nation, after looking at options in the stash and some web surfing I decided to pull this one out of the stash and going to tackle this beast for my winter project to take me into the new year. So at 44 cm long and 52 cm in wing span she is going to be a big girl, and I've decide that I have never built a kit in dutch markings before, so that is the one I'm going to build. I'm going to take my time with this one, as with my last 2 big kits I finished them within 4 weeks. My aim is to build a couple of smaller WIPs in between this one, and have them all finished in time for 2016s group build calendar. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Alpha Yankee Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I have this one and did not realise there was a Dutch option. I suppose I should take another look at the kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfriend Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I have built this kit, and I don't like to say this, but it is one of the worst aircraft kits that I have ever built. The big problem I found was with the bomb bay, and the wing fit. I wanted to display the bomb bay open, but it frustrated me so much in the end so I sealed everything shut!! Having said all this doom and gloom, I am sure that you are a better modeller than me, so you will probably sail through it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Popcorn and beer time methinks! Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntPhillips Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I have built this kit, and I don't like to say this, but it is one of the worst aircraft kits that I have ever built. The big problem I found was with the bomb bay, and the wing fit. I wanted to display the bomb bay open, but it frustrated me so much in the end so I sealed everything shut!!Having said all this doom and gloom, I am sure that you are a better modeller than me, so you will probably sail through it! I've got a Mach 2 kit of the Atlantic, you can bet the Revell kit is a dream to build compared to that one. To be fair, the Mach 2 kit preceded the Revell one by a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepureness Posted November 21, 2015 Author Share Posted November 21, 2015 I have built this kit, and I don't like to say this, but it is one of the worst aircraft kits that I have ever built. The big problem I found was with the bomb bay, and the wing fit. I wanted to display the bomb bay open, but it frustrated me so much in the end so I sealed everything shut!! Having said all this doom and gloom, I am sure that you are a better modeller than me, so you will probably sail through it! Any images of your build foxfriend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepureness Posted November 21, 2015 Author Share Posted November 21, 2015 So, I've made a start on the kit and although the instructions instruct you to start with the weapons bay I decided to jump ahead and go for the cockpit. I used the kit decals for the instruments and raided the spares box for some etched seat belts to give it some detail. I'm quite surprised that the floor of the cockpit areas are gloss blue on the real plane, so tried to copy that into this kit. Here are a few pictures 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Puff Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Can I suggest -if it's not too late - that you get the front and rear sections of each fuselage half together before the halves are joined? I did it the other way (both front halves together, both rear halves together, then front to rear) and it was impossible to get the front-rear joint right (to the point where my kit languishes on the shelf of doom whilst I work out a way around the problem). Don't know about difficulties with the weapons bay - that's a long way down the line! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepureness Posted November 22, 2015 Author Share Posted November 22, 2015 Can I suggest -if it's not too late - that you get the front and rear sections of each fuselage half together before the halves are joined? I did it the other way (both front halves together, both rear halves together, then front to rear) and it was impossible to get the front-rear joint right (to the point where my kit languishes on the shelf of doom whilst I work out a way around the problem). Don't know about difficulties with the weapons bay - that's a long way down the line! It's not too late Admiral, this is only a test fit shot of the cockpit inside the fuselage. But thanks very much for the tip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 After the Airfix Shackleton was released, my interest has been piqued with regards to all things ASW. Maybe a Nimrod next? Or even this? Go on, I DARE you!!! She'll complement the 'Atlantique' wonderfully! And in over 3,000 posts, that's the first time I've said 'piqued' 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 That's a nice looking pit you have done there! Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepureness Posted November 22, 2015 Author Share Posted November 22, 2015 doing some dry fitting of the main components of the fuselage, just really to get a feel of the size of this dutch bird. She is big, to give an idea, that is a Shackleton fuselage half in the shot and that was big enough. forgive the mess of the workstation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 After the Airfix Shackleton was released, my interest has been piqued with regards to all things ASW. Maybe a Nimrod next? Or even this? Go on, I DARE you!!! She'll complement the 'Atlantique' wonderfully! And in over 3,000 posts, that's the first time I've said 'piqued' What did the poor sod ever do to you? Martin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Alpha Yankee Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 After the Airfix Shackleton was released, my interest has been piqued with regards to all things ASW. Maybe a Nimrod next? Or even this? Go on, I DARE you!!! She'll complement the 'Atlantique' wonderfully! And in over 3,000 posts, that's the first time I've said 'piqued' Send that one to the shelf of doom Mike, FFROM have announced a nice Alize new kit 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepureness Posted November 25, 2015 Author Share Posted November 25, 2015 so I've started to assemble the fuselage now, and added the 2 part canopy. I'm waiting for everything to dry enough for me to now start sanding down some areas, this will need some filler here and there, it was a tight squeeze to get the forward fuselage closed currently thinking of whether to assemble the wings and attach to the fuselage and then paint the kit or to make each wing as a sub assembly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Hello, Interesting to see that somebody is constructing the 1/72 scale Atlantic from the Netherlands Naval Air Arm. The aircraft has not been a great succes and was eventually sold back to the French Government. Nine were bought as a replacement for the retired aircraft carrier Hr.Ms. Karel Doorman. Several crashes with loss of live. The Dutch Naval Aviation Flag Officers wanted the Lockheed Orion, but were overruled by the Dutch Government. We had to buy from France. Politics!!! The Atlantic could float for a long time, as shown in this picture. The 257 made a water landing in front of many beach visitors on the Dutch North Sea coast. No loss of live and was towed to the Naval Base Den Helder. It was scrapped. I keep checking your progress with this remarkable aircraft. Edited November 25, 2015 by Orion 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Nice progress! Unless the fit of the wings to fuselage is really good, I would paint the model with the wings on, that way you avoid damaging your finish if you have cleaning up and filling to do when the wings are fitted. I grant that it makes for trickier masking but to me that is the lesser of the two evils by quite a margin. Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 The aircraft has not been a great succes and was eventually sold back to the French Government. Nine were bought as a replacement for the retired aircraft carrier Hr.Ms. Karel Doorman. Several crashes with loss of live. Not a great succes maybe, but only for the Dutch Navy. Three crash, all for the same cause, faulty elevator control, and three casualties in only one of them. This elevator problem was never seen in any other user's fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Hello Antoine, Your observations are absolutely spot on. I am not a flight engineer. I do know the technical handbook had to be translated from French to English-Dutch. So it must have been a very difficult start. The gap was filled with the reliable US-made P-3C, problem solved. But the Atlantic has beautiful lines. Highest Regards, Orion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 But the Atlantic has beautiful lines. Sure! It can be seen these days hunting Russian submarine off Scotland for the benefit of UK MoD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) Hello All, Received some more information regarding NATO Atlantics. I would like to thank my Dutch counterpart for forwarding me these files from the Aviation Safety Net. Status NATO operators Atlantics written off in Cat 1 accidents.: (4x French Navy 53 fatalities) ( 3x Dutch Navy 3 fatalities) (1x German Federal Navy 0 fatalities) Not mentioned is the Pakistan Navy. The following link gives data/fatalities/location/Navy registration number. http://aviation-safety.net/database/types/Breguet-1150-Atlantic/database Regards, Orion. Edited November 29, 2015 by Orion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 PN lost at least one aircraft, shot down by a MiG-21, in 1999, IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jean Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Hello Antoine, Your observations are absolutely spot on. I am not a flight engineer. I do know the technical handbook had to be translated from French to English-Dutch. So it must have been a very difficult start. The gap was filled with the reliable US-made P-3C, problem solved. But the Atlantic has beautiful lines. Highest Regards, Orion. Hi, yes I was in charge with the translation, but could never figure out how to say elevator control in Dutch... Wat en troep! JR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepureness Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 After a good start this kit is becoming a bit of a nightmare with some awful fitting issues around the canopy, which no matter how I try is protruding out of the fuselage at the nose. I'm tempted to put this on the back burner for a while and tackle something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 After a good start this kit is becoming a bit of a nightmare with some awful fitting issues around the canopy, which no matter how I try is protruding out of the fuselage at the nose. I'm tempted to put this on the back burner for a while and tackle something else. Try putting some pictures of the problem area up here and lets see if our collective brain cell can come up with a solution, I am sure there is one Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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