Foghorn Leghorn Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Holy moly, now that's what i call a project! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Wonderful choice of subject Tom. I think we are all in for a treat - and I thank you in advance... I'd love to see you do an early 70's FGR2 from one of the tactical/strike squadrons in classic grey/green camouflage. But that's a bit of built in 'mud mover' bias, which I really must get over . I don't know if Radleigh has any inside info re the EDSG scheme? But heck - I'm gonna enjoy it whatever colour the darned thing ends up in........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Congrats Tom on the new addition.. I mean baby when its here, not the Phantom.... Looking at the plastic you have there I'd say that the rear end looks more like a Spey engined Phantom than not... What will you be using for markings/stencils? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomprobert Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 Tom, I think you're both crazy and brave, it's going to be a monster however, I shall follow your build with great interest. I do hope you've sellected EDSG over White rather than the other rather uninteresting colour scheme? Colin Hi Colin, I'm not 100% set on a scheme yet, but am leaning towards a special scheme. Not RN I'm afraid as decals are non existent for these kits, but hopefully it'll be eye catching enough for you! Hi Tom, Congatulations to you and Mrs P. We are also expecting a baby, our second, in March next year. Will this be your first child? Good luck! I will be following this build with great interest! I love the Phantom and I really like the look of this kit! Cheers, Viv Cheers, Viv. Yes first one for us; can't wait although modelling time may take a hit! Hi Watching with interest. I may be able to help with the references as I have copies of the maintenance manuals for both the FG1 and FGR2. PM me if these would be of use and I'll get them sent over. Ben Hi Ben, that's a very kind offer. I'm OK for the moment as I'm planning to start on the cockpit and I have plenty of references for that, but if I need anything in the future I'll be in touch. Wonderful choice of subject Tom. I think we are all in for a treat - and I thank you in advance... I'd love to see you do an early 70's FGR2 from one of the tactical/strike squadrons in classic grey/green camouflage. But that's a bit of built in 'mud mover' bias, which I really must get over . I don't know if Radleigh has any inside info re the EDSG scheme? But heck - I'm gonna enjoy it whatever colour the darned thing ends up in........ Hi Fritag, As mentioned above, I not committed 100% to a scheme, but I do have a special one in mind if I can source or make the decals. It'll be an RAF FGR.2, but I'll keep it under wraps for the time being if I may Congrats Tom on the new addition.. I mean baby when its here, not the Phantom.... Looking at the plastic you have there I'd say that the rear end looks more like a Spey engined Phantom than not... What will you be using for markings/stencils? Cheers, Bill! We're very much looking forward to the new addition. I agree that the rear end does look a little deep for a GE powered bird... Which should make my life a little easier! Decals are going to be a problem, but Dad has the 1/32nd Cutting Edge sheets for multiple Spey Phantoms so I may have a go at enlarging some of those for stencils etc. Thanks for the interest folks, I'm hoping to cut the first plastic this afternoon so I'll keep you all updated. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gondor44 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I would have thought that at 1/24 scale using masks for painting the roundels and fin flashes would be the better option. Gondor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heloman1 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Oh, Tom, if it's not EDSG over White, I might just have to follow another build thread. What other scheme could you possably have in mind??????????????? Remeber it was the Navy who taught the carbs to fly/use the Phantom... But then as a WAFU Imight be a tad biased. Colin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) Not RN I'm afraid as decals are non existent for these kits...Don't see why that's a problem; after all, you're scratch building pretty much everything else. Having seen the astonishing monks [Edit: ...which was supposed to say MODELS!] you have entertained us with from the most basic and unpromising of vac-form starts, I am seriously looking forward to watching this one develop (even if you are settling for a paint job other than the One True Scheme!). Edited October 12, 2015 by Ex-FAAWAFU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Tom, you have started my new favourite build thread Having seen the astonishing monks you have entertained us withNow I must have missed those! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomprobert Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) I would have thought that at 1/24 scale using masks for painting the roundels and fin flashes would be the better option. Gondor You may well be right, I tend to spray the markings on most of my big 'uns so when the time comes I'll likely go down the same route. Oh, Tom, if it's not EDSG over White, I might just have to follow another build thread. What other scheme could you possably have in mind??????????????? Remeber it was the Navy who taught the carbs to fly/use the Phantom... But then as a WAFU Imight be a tad biased. Colin Fear not, Colin! It may still end up as a Navy example. However, the RAF did some fantastic special schemes and some were very bright and eye catching... I haven't got to make my mind up just yet, but once I'm working on the cockpit I will have had to have made a decision, such as whether it's going to be a twin-sticker or not. Don't see why that's a problem; after all, you're scratch building pretty much everything else. Having seen the astonishing monks you have entertained us with from the most basic and unpromising of vac-form starts, I am seriously looking forward to watching this one develop (even if you are settling for a paint job other than a the One True Scheme!). Decals are always a headache on these builds, and most of the time it's a case of painting on my own. As said earlier in the thread I do have access to the Cutting Edge 1/32nd sheet which could be scaled up, or at the least used as a guide to create masks etc. We'll see!I've had a productive afternoon on the kit so all being well there'll be a first constructuon update later today or tomorrow. Ta-ra for now, Tom Edited October 11, 2015 by tomprobert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Hi Tom, Well, you don't do things by halves, do you?! Firstly, my warmest congratulations on your imminent arrival. What great news!! I'm absolutely certain that, after probably many months of preparation, planning, getting things organised, decorating and all the other stuff that comes along with such a wonderful addition to your household, that both you and your wife will be delighted when the Phantom finally gets pride of place in your home. Oh, congrats on becoming a Dad too... See you at Telford? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old foxtrot Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Congratulations on the new addition, having seen some of your previous stunning (and ridiculously huge) builds. I have to ask....where the heck do you keep them? Do you live in an aircraft hanger? Cant wait to see it finished... Rich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) You may well be right, I tend to spray the markings on most of my big 'uns so when the time comes I'll likely go down the same route. Fear not, Colin! It may still end up as a Navy example. However, the RAF did some fantastic special schemes and some were very bright and eye catching... I haven't got to make my mind up just yet, but once I'm working on the cockpit I will have had to have made a decision, such as whether it's going to be a twin-sticker or not. Decals are always a headache on these builds, and most of the time it's a case of painting on my own. As said earlier in the thread I do have access to the Cutting Edge 1/32nd sheet which could be scaled up, or at the least used as a guide to create masks etc. We'll see! I've had a productive afternoon on the kit so all being well there'll be a first constructuon update later today or tomorrow. Ta-ra for now, Tom Well , the Allcock & Browne scheme's XV424, had little in the way of stencil's....as indeed did, (or should that be didn't?) the two all blue FGR2's of 19 & 92 Sqn...and the Tremblers Black Mike.... Edited October 11, 2015 by Bill Clark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cngaero Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 First off, Congratulations to you both on you new arrival. Now, I'm sitting here in my comfy armchair, so,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Bring on the entertainment! Best of luck with this one Tom, even if it's only 50% as good as your Globemaster it'll still be a stunner, But deep down I know it will be 110% as usual. I can't wait. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Have you seen this Tom, linked on LSP in the F4K/M Hong Kong models thread..... http://tailhooktopics.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/spey-powered-phantom-changes.html 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Never one to do things by half huh TomWhatta guy New baby AND new Phantom, this has to be a momentous year at chez Probert, best of luck with both (did the new dad thing over forty eight years ago, still suffering for it ) This is NOT going to be a popcorn special, for this fabulous (and momentous) occasion I am shipping in boxloads of liquorice allsorts I'm going to get some REAL sustenance going go Tom go 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcap Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 In an age of 'Wonderkits', the very fact you are willing to even take this out of the box much less spend time and energy actually building it, elevates you to complete model making Kudos. I am fascinated what you will do with this! Gary 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k5054nz Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazdot Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Firstly Tom congratulations, I hope all of you will be very happy. Secondly I've ordered a truck load of popcorn for this one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Well?? Where are the 'In Progress' shots and commentary? I can't wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomprobert Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 Hi Tom, Well, you don't do things by halves, do you?! Firstly, my warmest congratulations on your imminent arrival. What great news!! I'm absolutely certain that, after probably many months of preparation, planning, getting things organised, decorating and all the other stuff that comes along with such a wonderful addition to your household, that both you and your wife will be delighted when the Phantom finally gets pride of place in your home. Oh, congrats on becoming a Dad too... See you at Telford? Showed the wife this... a raised eyebrow and a wry smile was the result! Better than I expected to be honest Congratulations on the new addition, having seen some of your previous stunning (and ridiculously huge) builds. I have to ask....where the heck do you keep them? Do you live in an aircraft hanger? Cant wait to see it finished... Rich They all live in the attic - although room is rapidly running out. At least the wing span isn't too great on this one! Well , the Allcock & Browne scheme's XV424, had little in the way of stencil's....as indeed did, (or should that be didn't?) the two all blue FGR2's of 19 & 92 Sqn...and the Tremblers Black Mike.... You're on the right lines, Bill. I'll say no more for now, just in case things don't pan out as anticipated! Have you seen this Tom, linked on LSP in the F4K/M Hong Kong models thread..... http://tailhooktopics.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/spey-powered-phantom-changes.html Yes, I have this in my 'favourites' - but many thanks. Well?? Where are the 'In Progress' shots and commentary? I can't wait... I was at dinner with the in-laws last night, and didn't return home until well after bed-time... I'll add some pictures tonight, promise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomprobert Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 As promised, a first pictorial update... Many people are put off vacforms by the cutting out and sanding process. I've developed my own method over the years, which I've found works really well for me and keeps the sanding of parts to the absolute minimum, which admittedly is the most tedious and messy part of vacform modelling. Step 1: With a sharp blade, score around the part you wish to remove at roughly a 45 degree angle. When you're almost through the plastic, stop: DSC_0041 by Thomas Probert, on Flickr Step 2: With the part thoroughly scored simply break away the carrier sheet, and this only leaves a very small amount of sanding required to neaten the edges: DSC_0043 by Thomas Probert, on Flickr To remove both fuselage halves took no more than 10 minutes. With the fuselage halves removed from the backing plastic, suddenly you have something that resembles a Phantom: DSC_0045 by Thomas Probert, on Flickr DSC_0047 by Thomas Probert, on Flickr DSC_0049 by Thomas Probert, on Flickr The parts actually fit together well, and with the joins lined with plastic tabs and some internal bulkheads, I don't think it's going to cause too many issues. With a model this size, I figured it far easier to work on smaller sections of the fuselage. This way, I can concentrate on each section, and then bring them back together when the time comes in due course. So, it was out with the saw and a few minutes later we have three subsections: the nose which will need the most work as the cockpit is going to be scratch-built, the centre-section which will need a fair bit of work to widen and fatten to represent a Spey powered F-4 FGR.2, and finally the extreme tail area that will, all being well, not need quite so much work (let's hope that doesn't come back to haunt me!): DSC_0051 by Thomas Probert, on Flickr DSC_0053 by Thomas Probert, on Flickr So here is where the next few weeks/months are going to be spent: the nose: DSC_0054 by Thomas Probert, on Flickr DSC_0057 by Thomas Probert, on Flickr Now my task is to start building up the cockpit and nose-gear bay... stay tuned! Until next time, Tom 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homerlovesbeer Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Struth Tom, This is a Phantom? I'm at a loss as to how these kits can turn into something like the current injection moulded ones. I'm very keen to see you shape this into a thing of beauty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Can I be the first to say I'M NOT WORTHY!!!!!!! in this thread please? Trevor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Vader Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Well done Tom good to see you be adhered to my request, now keep it coming. You really are the master of the dark side .Can't wait to see more of your magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radleigh Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Just spent some time on the Combat site.... I can see another order next year mate. Really looking forward to seeing this being built! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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