vppelt68 Posted May 10, 2016 Author Share Posted May 10, 2016 The umlauts can be added by clicking first "AltGr", then the button with a wave, the umlauts and an arrow up (first left from the "enter"-key), and then "u" - easy?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arniec Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 About the seat. I think that the other one was a early seat. I have seen a few pictures of A1's and A5's that used them. Schütze can also be translated as gunner. About the MG-FF I can't comment other than that at the frontal picture it looks as if there is a camara on top of it. Maybee a Strike camera?! Cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denford Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I've seen many posts go 'off thread' but never before over an umlaut (Alt 129 ON THE KEYPAD - bad you luck laptop users). Moderator, please let this thread continue! Looking up Gunner, rather than Schütze on my Leo on line dictionary (highly recommended) I find that gunner can indeed be translated as Schütze. With commendable respect to gender equality they give 'rear gunner' and only rear gunner - no other positions or duties listed as: Heckschütz (male) and Heckschützin (female). Curious 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted May 10, 2016 Author Share Posted May 10, 2016 I guess as I´m the one who has started this thread, I´m also allowed to let it drift - or I can edit the whole thread title, like I´ve already done once :-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 (edited) What fascinating reading this document makes in my rather limited technical German: did other air forces have similar documents? To be absolutely boringly pedantic, Bombenschutzensitz means literally 'Bombadier's protected seat' so presumably, as it appears to be of one-piece construction, of 'armour plate' though in reality probably just pressed steel. No, Bombenschütze is Bombardier or bomb aimer. A Schütze is someone who shoots and also the lowest infantry rank. Protection translates as "Schutz", but without Umlaut and without an "e" at the end - it's also "Schutzmann" not SchutzEmann. Now, back from our German for Advanced Students' session... I'm a bit puzzled about Teil 12A Schusswaffenanlage - the only Bombenschützensitz shown there (p. 12) looks like a folding seat, and not remotely similar to the armoured one with the "surrounding" head protection. Edited May 11, 2016 by tempestfan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michou Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 If you have trouble finding the umlaut on your keyboard it is perfectly correct to write the letter and add the letter e. E.g. ae is equivalent to ä oe is equivalent to ö ue is equivalent to ü The letter e is, in fact, the origin of the umlaut. It was written as a superscript above the vowel and the handwritten e became abbreviated to a couple of near vertical lines which, in turn, has become a pair of dots. Mike Helo all. In the manual the seat is named Bombenschutzensitz with umlaut (those little dots above u); I can't find that function on my keyboard. Sorry for the confusion Best Regards, Antti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted May 11, 2016 Author Share Posted May 11, 2016 I'm a bit puzzled about Teil 12A Schusswaffenanlage - the only Bombenschützensitz shown there (p. 12) looks like a folding seat, and not remotely similar to the armoured one with the "surrounding" head protection. Don´t be puzzled. There were only the folding seats for the bombardier and one also for the belly gunner, to be used when he was not in his ventral position. Only the pilot and the radio operator had more or less decent seats with some kind of protection. This was partly because the jobs of the bombardier varied from aiming the bombs (in level bombing) to assisting the pilot with the dive bombing equipment and navigation and manning both the forward firing and rear mg:s. The belly gunner had to have a safer place to sit during landings and take offs. The seats needed to be folded away to allow all this movement inside the cramped cockpit. V-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 Well, I should have looked up the parts #s: 143 Antti referred to (as the Bombenschützensitz) was not one of the two original alternative seats you asked about - that was 142. Problem solved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seawinder Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 The umlauts can be added by clicking first "AltGr", then the button with a wave, the umlauts and an arrow up (first left from the "enter"-key), and then "u" - easy?! Or for those enlightened souls with Macs, Option-U followed by the letter to be accented. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Or, more generally, put the Character Map on your task bar. This may just be an advantage of Windows 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Best of all is having a German keyboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted May 12, 2016 Author Share Posted May 12, 2016 I think I´ll edit the thread name now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occa Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 So it will get the post deleted if I post a word that contains a Umlaut ? Did I get that right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 (edited) I think I´ll edit the thread name now... striving for perfection, are you one more time and you are... About He 111, Ju 88 and Umlaute :-) regards from Basel, Rolf Edited May 12, 2016 by popeye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted May 12, 2016 Author Share Posted May 12, 2016 So it will get the post deleted if I post a word that contains a Umlaut ? Did I get that right ? Absolutely not! Umlaute are infact recommended! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted May 12, 2016 Author Share Posted May 12, 2016 (edited) striving for perfection, are you one more time and you are... About He 111, Ju 88 and Umlaute :-) regards from Basel, Rolf I try to learn quickly 😉 Edited May 12, 2016 by vppelt68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 I try to learn quickly succesfully obviously 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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