Bob Henry Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I have two Tamiya 1/48 scale kits ... the Tilly and the WWII Dingo. I am wondering what shade of olive drab to use. I work almost exclusively with Testors Model master enamels. One source already told me that FS 34087 wasn't too far off. I'm not opposed to adding a drop or two of some other color with an existing shade to get it pretty close. Does anyone have any ideas ? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Bob H. ( normally an airplane guy but clueless on armor ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackG Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Both these vehicles are of British manufacture, so they would be finished in British paints (S.C.C.15 is their equivalent of US olive, introduced in 1944). If your aim is fresh paint, then it would closely match American olive - whatever hobby paint that might be. The more it aged, ie exposed to the elements, the more green it would become. regards, Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 The Tilly would be fairly rare in SCC15, because jeeps were widely available and better. It would be much more interesting in some of the earlier colours. For a guide to those see Mike Starmer's work http://www.mafva.net/other%20pages/Starmer%20camo.htm, his books do include colour chips. I believe that SCC15 is one of those colours not well represented in model paints. FS34087 might be a bit too green, not enough olive. As most of the various tins of US OD in my possession seem a little too green to my eye, you might do better by following JackG's advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Henry Posted August 26, 2015 Author Share Posted August 26, 2015 The Tilly would be fairly rare in SCC15, because jeeps were widely available and better. It would be much more interesting in some of the earlier colours. For a guide to those see Mike Starmer's work http://www.mafva.net/other%20pages/Starmer%20camo.htm, his books do include colour chips. I believe that SCC15 is one of those colours not well represented in model paints. FS34087 might be a bit too green, not enough olive. As most of the various tins of US OD in my possession seem a little too green to my eye, you might do better by following JackG's advice. Thanks Graham for the link that you posted. I will definitely print it off and keep it in my "Top Secret" 3 ring binder !! It is loaded with good information. And Jack, now I have to figure out if there is a Testors Model Master equivalent for the US Olive introduced in 1944. Would you happen to know a FS equivalent ? Just curious. I still may consider one of the earlier schemes and use one of the mixes on the above referenced link .. or maybe one for each vehicle. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Just one point: it was SCC15 that was introduced in 1944, not the US variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackG Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) The link provided for Starmer's research gives the Humbrol mix for S.C.C.15, and I've seen on another forum, his recipe for Tamiya paints. Unfortunately, nothing in the Testors range, nor an FS equivalent. All I can suggest is an olive colour that is more green than brown. Here is what I came up with when I used the Tamiay formula on my Firefly, 5 prts XF81 1 prt XF58 1 prt 71 Interesting note, I then took the above image and loaded it as a sample colour here: http://scalemodeldb.com/paint Using an eyedroper tool and zeroed in on the rear bin, the closest FS match was 34089, but was a bit more yellow than the tank image. it also was 12.88 units away form a direct match to my mix. A result of 2 or less is considered a good match. regards, Jack Edited August 27, 2015 by JackG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Henry Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 The link provided for Starmer's research gives the Humbrol mix for S.C.C.15, and I've seen on another forum, his recipe for Tamiya paints. Unfortunately, nothing in the Testors range, nor an FS equivalent. All I can suggest is an olive colour that is more green than brown. Here is what I came up with when I used the Tamiay formula on my Firefly, 5 prts XF81 1 prt XF58 1 prt 71 Interesting note, I then took the above image and loaded it as a sample colour here: http://scalemodeldb.com/paint Using an eyedroper tool and zeroed in on the rear bin, the closest FS match was 34089, but was a bit more yellow than the tank image. it also was 12.88 units away form a direct match to my mix. A result of 2 or less is considered a good match. regards, Jack Thanks Jack. I can obtain the Humbrol enamels at a local hobby shop so that might be a workable option. Thanks for the additional link. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonlanceHR Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Anyone tried the DOA paints? Website claims they are matched to Mike Starmer chips. No affiliation. Vedran The milimeter brigade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Henry Posted September 13, 2015 Author Share Posted September 13, 2015 Anyone tried the DOA paints? Website claims they are matched to Mike Starmer chips. No affiliation. Vedran The milimeter brigade I just viewed the website. It looks interesting. Thanks for posting. Bob H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Starmer Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 I see that DOA claims that their paints are matched to my colour swatches. Since I have only seen some of their Caunter colours I am not impressed with those. Not having seen any others I cannot comment but I remain dubious about those too. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Henry Posted September 15, 2015 Author Share Posted September 15, 2015 Thanks Mike for your insight. I'll stick with your original Humbrol mix ratios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 I find it astonishing that they haven't (yet) offered SCC15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 We have SCC15 available FWIW. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Yes, I have that, but it isn't one of your more accurate ones. I base this on Mike Starmer's comments. Regardless of the merits of the Colour Coats, I would have expected any new range devoted to British Army colours to treat SCC15 as a high priority. Generally the late war subjects are more popular than the earlier ones. Models of BEF (and even early desert) AFVs/vehicles are much rarer than late-war examples. It is possible to argue that modellers who buy specialist paints are the same people who buy specialist subjects, but that does imply a strong correlation which might not be true, and a producer would, I'd have thought, wish to sell into the wider market too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botan Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Hataka now is offering a S.C.C. No. 15 Olive Drab (HTK-A110). I would be grateful for sharing opinion about its accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rs2man Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Here's a very simple Vallejo mix for SCC15 , attributed to Alan Brown Mix equal parts of 70888 Olive Grey [92] + 70924 Russian Uniform WWII [094] I used this mix on an Airfix Cromwell & was very happy with the result . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shermaniac Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 (edited) Here's a very simple Vallejo mix for SCC15 , attributed to Alan Brown Mix equal parts of 70888 Olive Grey [92] + 70924 Russian Uniform WWII [094] I used this mix on an Airfix Cromwell & was very happy with the result . Thanks rs2man, I did the Vallejo mix and had it confirmed against Mike Starmers paint swatches, it practically disappeared.Alan Brown Edited March 16, 2016 by Shermaniac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rs2man Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Thanks rs2man, I did the Vallejo mix and had it confirmed against Mike Starmers paint swatches, it practically disappeared. Alan Brown Thanks to you for doing a mix so simple that even I had success with it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Starmer Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Actually I devised that mix using an original swatch for SCC.15. Which BTW, is the first colour in the BS.987 range to be officially named as 'Olive Drab'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Henry Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 Thanks guys for the simple Vallejo mix. I might go that direction instead of the other way. Bob H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shermanvc Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I need approx. 25 litres of SCC15 to paint a Sherman VC (in a couple of years time)... will probably need to find a paint manufacturer to do the mix for this amount... but, would be grateful for confirmation whose paint gives the best match so I can use this as a sample to base from. Thanks Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 By strange coincidence, I just had a customer buy a substantial quantity from us in bigger tins of SCC15 for a purpose somewhat larger than our normal model sizes! (and yes it's substantially cheaper in bulk than it is in 14ml tinlets!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shermanvc Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) By strange coincidence, I just had a customer buy a substantial quantity from us in bigger tins of SCC15 for a purpose somewhat larger than our normal model sizes! (and yes it's substantially cheaper in bulk than it is in 14ml tinlets!) Have ordered a couple of small pots from you so I can paint a sample and see what it looks like compared to some of the other restorations. Can you pm me with your 5 litre price please? Thanks Tim Edited July 22, 2016 by Shermanvc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperService Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 That sounds like an awesome project Tim. Has she still got a multi-bank engine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badger Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Here's a very simple Vallejo mix for SCC15 , attributed to Alan Brown Mix equal parts of 70888 Olive Grey [92] + 70924 Russian Uniform WWII [094] I used this mix on an Airfix Cromwell & was very happy with the result . Cheers for this - have just mixed a full bottle of each as I have a lot of WW2 British armour to paint and the results look promising! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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