danbuoy Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Great result with the step van. New front end looks like it was always like that. Orange lights on the top would break up the green expanse. What orange have you used for the indicators? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar side Posted February 27, 2021 Author Share Posted February 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, danbuoy said: Great result with the step van. New front end looks like it was always like that. Orange lights on the top would break up the green expanse. What orange have you used for the indicators? Painted them white & then nicked my daughters orange acrylic pen. Have the orange from the Gina to spray up the roof lights though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbuoy Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Thanks for that. I've got some Posca pens that I got specifically for doing little details like that but not sure if they are too matt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar side Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 1 hour ago, danbuoy said: Thanks for that. I've got some Posca pens that I got specifically for doing little details like that but not sure if they are too matt. With the Posca pens be a bit careful. My daughter has been drawing cartoon characters on a table top. I painted it with car white spray to give it a good base and she has been drawing in cartoons in pencil and then finishing them with acrylic pens. I then seal each one with a coat of good old Klear. The acrylics have been fine but the Posca pens run once the clear goes on. So watch those if you are going to put a seal coat on anything 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbuoy Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Ah, thanks, will bear that in mind. Great cartoons by the way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar side Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 Not much done today, but roof lights and mirrors are on. I might still do the corner tape though Missed a bit of sanding on the roof front that I can now see. I will leave is as every day wear and tear If the sun stays this week I might need to get the HAS out & pose something with the pickup & step van 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desert falcon Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 This turned out really great, the every day wear and tear fits perfectly !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbuoy Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) Was looking through my collection of USAF vehicle photos, and came across this one, showing Upper Heyford's motor pool in the mid 70s. There are two of the more familiar Chevrolet step vans, but in between them, another type (not sure of the make) that looks quite similar to the Joker van. And its green! (Also has the hi-viz markings at the front). uhmotorpool76 2 by Dan Hardy, on Flickr Edited March 1, 2021 by danbuoy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar side Posted March 1, 2021 Author Share Posted March 1, 2021 That second one back does look like the pre surgery Joker van! Could have saved myself some work. I still haven’t done the hi-viz markings but I got the van & the pickup outside today So a Mack refueler? Something like this? The cabs are very much comparable in size so it could be done. I am tempted to see if I can scratch up a tank comparable to the kit one. I could build a chassis based on the kit & end up with two tankers. You might notice that this Mack is not white. It’s the other one which was green but much more beaten up than the other one. Needs a repaint whatever 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbuoy Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 That Corgi Mack cab looks the perfect size. I've got more photos of Mack refuellers if they would be of any use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar side Posted March 1, 2021 Author Share Posted March 1, 2021 22 minutes ago, danbuoy said: That Corgi Mack cab looks the perfect size. I've got more photos of Mack refuellers if they would be of any use. That would be great. I don’t know models of Mack trucks to google up references. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbuoy Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) OK, got a few more pics. The actual type of refueller is an R11, regardless of what cab and chassis it has. The type of Mack in question is the R series. One thing to note about the refuellers is that the exhaust pipe is located under the front bumper, to keep it as far away from the fuel as possible. First tanker is at Alconbury; alconbury tanker by Dan Hardy, on Flickr This one is at Fairford; fairfordtanker by Dan Hardy, on Flickr This is one of my own photos from the 1992 Lakenheath airshow (the last one); 2014-12-14_19 by Dan Hardy, on Flickr Also found these photos, taken at Greenham Common, showing normal R series tractor units from the resident Transportation Squadron; greenhammack5 by Dan Hardy, on Flickr greenhammack4 by Dan Hardy, on Flickr And for something a little bit different, here is one of them loading GLCM launcher trailers onto a C-5 Galaxy when they were being withdrawn; greenhamtrucks4 by Dan Hardy, on Flickr greenhamtrucks2 by Dan Hardy, on Flickr greenhammack2 by Dan Hardy, on Flickr Edited March 1, 2021 by danbuoy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar side Posted March 1, 2021 Author Share Posted March 1, 2021 Cheers Dan great pictures. I guess I can copy the back end of the Skunkworks R11 then. I was tempted earlier to buy an eBay Corgi tanker trailer to cut the tank about, but it might be better to just scratch build one. And maybe turn the other tractor unit in to a regular transport one. Certainly will look different in a diorama. I like it when people look and see something that they know isn’t a regular kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbuoy Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) Found these two photos showing the back end of one (this tanker has an Oshkosh cab, but is of a similar era to the Macks, and the tank part looks pretty similar from what I can tell). tanker1 by Dan Hardy, on Flickr tanker2 by Dan Hardy, on Flickr I think the Skunkmodels one is going to be mostly the same, the main difference I can see being the shape of the rear wheel arches. Its frustrating that in both the larger scale that you need and the smaller scale for me, Corgi actually did the right type of cab, and both were sold as fuel tankers, but in both cases the tanker trailers look British/European in design, and therefore no good for an R11 refueller. I've managed to find a Corgi "Truckers" Kenworth tanker that hopefully I can use the back end of, but for 1/48 I think scratchbuilding might be the best way to go, although it should be possible to use the kit to copy. Edited March 2, 2021 by danbuoy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar side Posted March 2, 2021 Author Share Posted March 2, 2021 Thanks Dan - most people don’t think of taking a picture of the back end of a tanker, and certainly don’t then share it on line! Very useful, especially the fact it wouldn’t need curvy wheel arches. I might start scratch building a tank based on the kit. Then once I have used a load of filler to try & sort out the kit seams I can decide which one looks better! I might start with flat sheet plasticard & work from there. Although in 1/48 it might lend itself to a spot of card modelling.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbuoy Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Found some pics of an actual Mack tanker that the same government surplus auction place has previously sold. There is also a short Youtube video of the same truck, but, unbelievably, no rear views! https://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/auction/view?auc=1078822 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar side Posted March 2, 2021 Author Share Posted March 2, 2021 Some good pictures there Dan, but I think they have restricted download. I will try later to get copies off it. I thought more about the card idea and went for it . Started with a flat thin sheet of card and some thicker formers Came together well so started on the hose & controls housing I used the Rich O method of card hardening with superglue on the ends of the tank so that I can file it & sand it back Cut the chassis on the Mack. The rear wheels will work well with that section. Just need to work out how much to add in to the chassis. I will build up the it chassis & compare Some subtle filler on the kit tank and I am on the way to two tankers I added some wire mesh walkways to the top of the tank & some detail for the main filling hatch. Looking ok I think. The mesh is over scale but once it is painted I think it will work. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbuoy Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 That's coming together very nicely! Yes, I could only get small versions of the photos off the auction site. Having done a bit more research, it seems the R11 was only introduced in 1989 with the Oshkosh cab, plus the later ones such as comes with the Skunkmodels kit. The Mack version is actually an R9, although googling this still didn't bring up many results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar side Posted March 2, 2021 Author Share Posted March 2, 2021 Yes Wiki has a stub for an R-9 but nothing there. Found this page https://nara.getarchive.net/media/fuels-specialist-airman-first-class-christopher-carlson-usaf-top-looks-on-as-cb468b States it is an R-9 so things are on track. Looks like a two way split trailer it is hitched to. Another one in the background. The Skunkworks kit gives you the side shutter open or closed, so the kit will be open & the Mack closed. Next going to try making lovers in card for the strip above the shutter I got reasonable pictures off the site by opening them in chrome & pasting the link into safari. That asked me if I wanted to download it so I did. Big watermark but it’s only for personal use. Not going to host & repost them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbuoy Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Thats a good pic, and unusual to see one in desert camo. Interesting that it is still in service in 2001, but I think quite a few airfield vehicles soldier on if they are still in good condition. Glad you were able to enlarge the other photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar side Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 I gave the card tank and bits plus the cab a coat of grey just to show up how bad they are. I have since used some green stuff to tidy up the joints that don’t look great in these pictures The plan is for the box behind the cab to sit about level with the cab roof I put the chassis of the kit together to check the length which has been handy. The next step is to build the main chassis rails for the Mack, linking in to the stub on the back of the cab and taking in rear wheel assembly. I can then look at the boxes & rear wheel fenders that hand off it The kit tank has now been sanded, P38 filleted and now is on to green stuff 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar side Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 Started measuring up some plasticard for the frame extension. Superglue barely holding it together at the moment & in need of some serious cross bracing, but gives an idea of the Mack chassis plan next to the R-11 chassis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar side Posted March 4, 2021 Author Share Posted March 4, 2021 Not a lot done today, but I sanded down the kit tank seams and sprayed on a quick coat of prime to check it. Not perfect but a lot better. Then the chassis extension got cross braced & added to. It’s not to scale but it needs to be a bit chunky. The halves of the diecast are still loose so and will be until I have finished off the chassis fittings. Both the cab section and the rear wheels section have the stubs of the drive shaft. That will get joined with a rod when tops & bottoms are together Need assorted on chassis frame boxes, under front bumper exhaust, rear bumper, ladder, pipe work etc but she is coming along 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbuoy Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Nice progress on the Mack. I imagine there is a fair bit of weight with that diecast cab, but at least the tank part will be nice and light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar side Posted March 5, 2021 Author Share Posted March 5, 2021 Yes not a lot of weight to carry. Probably be at least as robust as the Skunkworks one. Bit more building a frame side box, rear wheel mud guards & general stuff. Got a quick picture in the daylight Then took it all apart for a coat of paint. Lots more needed before it is done but I can’t really glue the diecast parts together until they have been painted, so I will post up a picture when it is all dry If it’s all dry I will try to get a picture of it in green later. Really must spend more time on the kit tanker too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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