John Aero Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Hi No, I now supply no trade outlets but I have sent a good few to Australia. I'm taking a break to spend time with my wider family so I will resume work on the Hawkers after Christmas. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wombat200 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Hi No, I now supply no trade outlets but I have sent a good few to Australia. I'm taking a break to spend time with my wider family so I will resume work on the Hawkers after Christmas. John Hi John - does that mean I can order directly from you after Christmas? If so, count me in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntPhillips Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Hi John - does that mean I can order directly from you after Christmas? If so, count me in Hi Wombat, I've seen elsewhere on BM that John is taking a short break, so he might not see this for a while, I'm sure he'll be back to you at some point though. The kit is worth waiting for, I've got one and its a cracker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welkin Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I'm taking a break to spend time with my wider family so I will resume work on the Hawkers after Christmas. Hi John I will certainly want two kits (Hart + Audax) - in the meantime have a restful break and a good Christmas! Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 There is really very little difference in the basic airframes of all the two seat Hawker Hart derivatives. With the exception of the Osprey (folding wings and larger fin/rudder), Hector (top wing and engine and struts), the Hart Trainer (top wing sweep) and Demon (lowered rear decking and Stbd extra gun) All the others have minor variations of panel lines, crew decking, wheels, exhausts and equipment. I intend to put on only the most important panel lines so that minor variations can be added by the modeller. The high ring top deck is shared by the Hart, Osprey, Audax and Hardy. Looking at the rarer Hartbees, despite the rear cockpit windscreen and fairing and sloping gun ring, I think this shares the lower rear deck of the Australian Demon and by having Hind bombing equipment. The Hind Trainer does not have the lesser wing sweep of the Hart trainer. John Addendum to the above post. I'm back from my travels and whilst I was in NZ I remembered my son had collected some Hartbees stuff while in South Africa some years ago. I can now confirm my suspicions that the Hartbees is a Demon, and not an Audax derivative, being of a similar specification (if not identical) to that of the Australian Demon. It also had the later addition of Volkes filters. I will try and post some photos soon. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I can now confirm my suspicions that the Hartbees is a Demon, and not an Audax derivative, iindeed - the horn exhaust and they have also a stbd gun, isn't? Cheers J-W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learstang Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Correct, JW, it had the ram's horn exhausts and the two forward-firing guns. Regards, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Several prominent historian authors have in the past stated that the Hartbees was an Audax derivative and many of the Hawker photographs that often accompanied these statements were only taken from the Port side. Also the forwards armament was stated in Putnams and the MMP book (Mason and Crawford) and elsewhere, to be "one fixed Vickers gun". . This is not a criticism as such of these authors because their work was based on what was available to them. The Rams horn exhausts are no guide as they can appear on other variants. What makes the basic frame a Demon are the production changes to accept the second Stbd gun and the 3" lower rear turtle deck which is not the easiest to define in photos especially when the rear faired windscreens are fitted. The first six Hart fighters (often erroneously refered to as Demons) were built from Hart frames and only when the modified Demon frame proper appeared on production examples did the second gun appear. The only two variants of this airframe that I know of are the Army co-operation Australian Demon and the Hartbees both of which have the bomb aimers and camera fittings. I have often referred to the Australian Demon as a "two gun Hind" which I now feel is misleading because the frame is a Demon with Hind/ Audax equipment. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wombat200 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I have often referred to the Australian Demon as a "two gun Hind" which I now feel is misleading because the frame is a Demon with Hind/ Audax equipment. John Hi John, Just wondering if you were back on deck? I'd really like to get an Aussie Demon Kit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Please PM me. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wombat200 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Please PM me. John Sent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wombat200 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 A very belated thank you to John for the incredible Demon kit that I have received, far better than I expected for a short run kit. Looking forward to building it! Just have to choose the scheme 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don McIntyre Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 A very belated thank you to John for the incredible Demon kit that I have received, far better than I expected for a short run kit. Looking forward to building it! Just have to choose the scheme Do you have some pics to share? This could help me break my self-imposed ban on buying any new biplane kits... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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