RAF Jaguars & Martel Missile/s?

[Truro Model Builder]

might be Matra Magic's but my guess is its a international Jag demo jet

It's the first production GR.1, XX108, without LRMTS or RWR. No doubt marked up and suitably dripping with armament for the PR boys. What's the blue marking under the canopy?

[canberra kid]

It's the first production GR.1, XX108, without LRMTS or RWR. No doubt marked up and suitably dripping with armament for the PR boys. What's the blue marking under the canopy?

I think it's the Queen's award for industry?

[Jabba]

Must have been interesting landing a Maritime Jag with those tiny wings

And engines

But they do look quite gorgeous

French Fighter - Bomber chic

And that is why the french cancelled this aircraft and ordered the single engined Super Etendard.

[canberra kid]

Plus the Super Etendard was a fully French aircraft, none of that cooperation rubbish for the navy.

John

[charlie_c67]

More Dassault torpedoing the program in favour of their products and preventing further development. I've read somewhere that the Jaguar M was to be fitted with a more powerful version of the Adour engines to cope with the rigours of working at sea.

[Giorgio N]

The trials at sea of the Jaguar showed that the type needed a lot of modifications to be able to effectively operate from a carrier. In particular the wing loading was too high and a new larger wing was studied. Problem with a larger wing is that it also affects all other parts of the aircraft and this would have meant a total redesign. The Jaguar m cancellation was not much Dassault conjuring aganst the type but a wise choice from an economic point of view.

The single engine performance was indeed found to be a problem, really the Jaguar was underpowered for carrier operation. Now many here will say "yes but the Super Etandard is a single engine aircraft so it's even worse.." but it should be kept in mind that an engine failure on a 2-engined aircraft is more probable than on a single engine type, reason for which all certification regulations require certain single engine performances from 2-engined types

[squezzer]

Must have been interesting landing a Maritime Jag with those tiny wings

And engines

But they do look quite gorgeous

French Fighter - Bomber chic

This why a special regulation system was designed to allow the pilot to light up smoothly the afterburners at 80% of dry power in french it was named PC modulee. The power curve had no steps and then the use of the ab extra power was possible during landings. The system was kept on the Jaguar and was mainly used during air to air refuelling and aerobatics.

[Dave Fleming]

Ah - strange how the memory plays tricks: I was remembering both the 6 Sqn four-ship and the 14 Sqn pair in John's photo above and amalgamated them into a single pic.

Me too!

[Fritag]

This why a special regulation system was designed to allow the pilot to light up smoothly the afterburners at 80% of dry power in french it was named PC modulee. The power curve had no steps and then the use of the ab extra power was possible during landings. The system was kept on the Jaguar and was mainly used during air to air refuelling and aerobatics.

Brit Jags had a system called 'part throttle reheat' (PTR). Flick a switch and get reheat on the selected engine below full dry power. Principally used for air to air refuelling where IIRC the stbd engine was parked in dry power - cos of the potentially disturbed airflow from the tanking drougue - and the port throttle/engine used to maintain position. PTR provided more power and avoided the step up you get from full dry to min reheat using the throttle alone. Unhelpful to get a large step up in power when connected to a tanker.......

[12jaguar]

Brit Jags had a system called 'part throttle reheat' (PTR). Flick a switch and get reheat on the selected engine below full dry power. Principally used for air to air refuelling where IIRC the stbd engine was parked in dry power - cos of the potentially disturbed airflow from the tanking drougue - and the port throttle/engine used to maintain position. PTR provided more power and avoided the step up you get from full dry to min reheat using the throttle alone. Unhelpful to get a large step up in power when connected to a tanker

We used to receive plenty of Incident Signals whereby the Jockeys would catch the PTR switches with their sleeves leading to an inadvertent increase in thrust! They were forever calling for shorter toggles on the switches

John

[exdraken]

Brit Jags had a system called 'part throttle reheat' (PTR). Flick a switch and get reheat on the selected engine below full dry power. Principally used for air to air refuelling where IIRC the stbd engine was parked in dry power - cos of the potentially disturbed airflow from the tanking drougue - and the port throttle/engine used to maintain position. PTR provided more power and avoided the step up you get from full dry to min reheat using the throttle alone. Unhelpful to get a large step up in power when connected to a tanker.......

refueling with (part)reheat on.... sounds interesting!

did the tanks actually fill up?

[Hook]

refueling with (part)reheat on.... sounds interesting!

did the tanks actually fill up?

AFAIK the Tornado F.3 also required afterburner to keep up with the tankers.

Cheers,

Andre

[RMP2]

Go on then, Ill ask the daft question:

Wouldnt it be an idea for the tankers to, you know, slow down a bit?

[RMP2]

Lazy Sunday net surfing, found this quote thats sort of relevant to Jaguar pylons:

"Kevin Turner writes: I used to work at Thumrait back in the 1980's and 90's and this was standard practice when returning from a sortie in those bad old days, most of the pilots were seconded from the RAF or contract pilots. I think the Jaguar was being flown by Dick Manning, an ex-Phantom jockey from the RAF and a regular low level "offender". He used to aim for anyone walking out on the pan! You could hear the Hunter coming as it had this low frequency howl before it arrived, but the Jag was totally silent until it arrived and your senses were shattered by the noise! We even had a Jag hit a car being driven by one of the Hunter pilots coming back from Salalah. That was Dick Manning again. The centreline pylon caved the roof in and the ventral strakes on the engine doors took the A, B and C pillars out on the car. Dick said he didn't even know he'd hit the car!!! Another Jag hit the Range Safety Officers walkway handrail with the outer section of the port wing during a beat-up. Other versions of this type of flying in Oman are on YouTube I think."

[tweeky]

PTR was also used when landing with an engine shutdown.... just in case they had to go round again

[squezzer]

refueling with (part)reheat on.... sounds interesting!

did the tanks actually fill up?

Actually, they did. The jag fuel consumption was quite low and the partial reheat or PC modulee started at a lower fuel flow than the full AB.

[exdraken]

Actually, they did. The jag fuel consumption was quite low and the partial reheat or PC modulee started at a lower fuel flow than the full AB.

thanks, I assumed so...... if not...wold be an eternal endeavor, or, till the tanker was empty

[squezzer]

thanks, I assumed so...... if not...wold be an eternal endeavor, or, till the tanker was empty

On some aircraft with a fuel consumption or big tanks, aircraft nº1 has to refuel again ftar the others to avoid too big difference among the flight when it leaves the tanker. On some missiins, you hadone or another aircraft suckink the tanker almost all flight long, a kind of never ending endeavor...