elmarriachi Posted June 22, 2015 Author Share Posted June 22, 2015 Oha... that's strange.... the pontostemplate is looking like this .... .... now what is correct..... who knows more? ... trying to find pictures of it .... hopefully ..... Cheers Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shar2 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Looks like the template is definitely wrong Michael. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 OH this is starting to get interesting already Beefy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chango Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 (edited) Pretty sure pontos got the GHG pattern right. We had long discussions about it on mw.com and I think that's where Pontos got the idea. Check out this build thread, I think there's more info about it somewhere if memory serves: http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=57213&start=480 Edited June 22, 2015 by Chango Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmarriachi Posted June 22, 2015 Author Share Posted June 22, 2015 Ah... .that's looking good and gives me some kind of good feeling back I think I could leave it as it is now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shar2 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Well, if you think the Bismarck website have got it wrong, along with one or two books I've checked then that's up to you as it's your model, but I still believe Pontos have got this wrong IMHO. The hydrophones should be laid out in a symmetrical inverted horseshoe shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmarriachi Posted June 23, 2015 Author Share Posted June 23, 2015 (edited) Hi Dave, I just spoke with several guys at "the ship model forum" who corrected the full Bismarck hull... and all of them confirmed that it is more possible that the Pontos template is correct.... Please check the following .... http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=57213&start=480. Also - as it seems, the version of Asmussen is nowhere recordered, but at the Tirpitz it also shows such an unsymmetrical version.... I think I will keep it as it is, but it seems to be more realistic in this version ... BRMichael Edited June 23, 2015 by elmarriachi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shar2 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 I have Michael, and I still think they are wrong. The template doesn't match any of the information I have seen. It also seems too haphazard a layout for what was a very sensitive system. I know what I'll be using when I build my big Bismarck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmarriachi Posted June 23, 2015 Author Share Posted June 23, 2015 Hi Dave, just found some more infos.... look here http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/topic/23530/Kriegsmarine-vs-Center-Force?page=4#.VYkoqPntlBc This is a strage issue... and a lot of "mysteries" about it as it seems ... Cheers Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shar2 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 There does seem to be a lot of discussion on various boards, with some people stating that the POntos template is correct and stating certain "facts" but they haven't backed up their claims with physical evidence. The nearest I can see the template shape, is that of the array around the foreplanes of a Type VII u-boat, even then they are not the same. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitestar12chris Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Hi id have to agree with Dave, the hydrophones where carefully set out in an arc which can clearly be seen on the side of U-boats, due to accurate calibration being required between the pairs relative to their spacing. Gruppenhorchgerat (GHG) The standard U-boat hydrophone, the GHG (Group Listening Apparatus) was installed in U-boats from 1935 onwards. It consisted of two sets of hydrophones mounted on each side of the bows, covering two arcs of 140 degrees on the sides of the U-boat. Because the hydrophones could not be rotated, the triangulation was most effective with sound sources coming from the sides, with deteriorating accuracy as the source moved to the front or rear of the boat. Consisting of 24 hydrophones, the GHG could pick up lone vessels up to 20 kilometers and convoys up to 100 kilometers away. The detection range however was also dependant on sea conditions. Theoretically, the optimal curve on which the hydrophones had to be placed was a down wards open half arc. regards Chris ps never trust a surface shipbuilder about submarine technology LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfqweofekwpeweiop4 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I'm glad I stick to 1/700 waterline! thanks Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chango Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) I don't imagine a 750 ton submarine would get the same GHG system as a 45,000 ton superbattleship, but hey.... Anyway there's WAY too much superstructure and brass fiddly bits in the Pontos "ultimate set" to spend a lot of time worrying about the GHG system (which would be hardly noticable in 1/200 scale anyway). Excited to see more! Go Michael! Edited June 25, 2015 by Chango Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme Shelter Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Lordy dordy - and there I was thinking it was just the Spitfire and ME109 builders that went head to head with one another about their individual opinions to detail. Lets see more of the rest of the build - go go go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmarriachi Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 Hey noboday is going head with one others head We just try to learn from each other about what's true In the meantime I am still opening the holes in the hull for the cooling water ... adding the PE parts..... filling ..... sanding ...... picture will follow today or tomorrow! Also I changed my mind r egarding the brass display parts... Now I chose stainless steel for it Looks better I think CheersMichael 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmarriachi Posted June 27, 2015 Author Share Posted June 27, 2015 *** UPDATE *** The two openigs for the smoke system at the stern were added ... The "Gruppenhorchgerät" (GHG) on both sides were finished, new filled, drilled and sanded several times .... Next I have opend all the holds for the cooling water system on both sides of the hulls. Used a knife, drill, files .... then test-fitted the etched parts from Pontos and glued these inside. The gaps were filled with putty and everything sanded also several times. From the inside painted black. Then I made "chests" with plastic card, painted also black inside and glued inside the hull. Now it is impossible to look through the hull when looking behind the meshs. In several stages I have sanded the hull under the water to get a 100% smooth surface, before starting with the etched parts ... As I have decided against the brass stands for the display I have adjusted the already drilled holes for the new parts made of stainless steel. These are 4,5cm high, 1,2cm diameter. Perfect. These are parts from balcon handrails with core thread inside on both sides. Next steps.... etched parts Cheers Micha 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmarriachi Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 Hello @ all. a new update of my 1/200 Bismarck.... The maindeck was glued inside, several details removed for the mounting of the wooden deck, then everything fillered and sanded. The portholes received their frames and eyebrows (Pontos) now. Tried to get all of them as accurate as possible... funny job Much more fun was the mounting of all the small etched climbing steps on the stern... each glued in the small holes which I have drilled before... BOW: STERN: The next step will be the beginning of the painting which will start with a cloudy sprayed layer of black primer from Valleyo to make shure that the surface is clean. Also it will be a first preshading for the next steps of painting. Cheers Michael 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme Shelter Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 looking good so far Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 great start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Like the steps, great attention to detail ! Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmarriachi Posted July 7, 2015 Author Share Posted July 7, 2015 In the meantime the full hull is painted in black..... (primer) and sanded under the water once again as it had some small bumps which were gone now. The next step will be painting of the grey color (Lifecolor UA602 + UA604). Not full covering the black primer which will give it some shadows. , Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmarriachi Posted July 9, 2015 Author Share Posted July 9, 2015 The painting of the hull... first a black primer to show the last gaps, scratches, etc.... then sanding once again a little bit...... The first "real" color on the hull is DKM51 "Mittelgrau" (Lifecolor UA602) which is sprayed cloudy, not fully covering the black on the hull in several thin layers. Then some lightings follow with the DKM51 "Mittelgrau Variants" (Lifecolor UA604). Next steps are some shadows with darker grey, then following the darker parts on the bow & stern. Cheers. Micha 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Av8fan Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 (edited) Is this video by Mr. Paul Budzik of any use? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVULb3sOd2w Edit: Whoops, I am not sure that you need it. Great looking build. Edited July 9, 2015 by Av8fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmarriachi Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 Hello. let's move forward with the painting of the hull. The hull was masked for painting of the dark areas at the bow and stern with Lifecolor UA605. Then with a dark grey the shadow area at the bow and stern was darkend a little bit. Once this was dried I have masked the upper part of the hull and painted the underside in "Schiffsbodenfarbe Nr.5", also Lifecolor. Then.... masking the complete hull upper and lower part for painting the dark strip around the ship. I used Lifecolor Black/grey UA208 for that. Next step will be masking and painting the waves at the bow/stern and the white/black stripes at the sides ... ... then some smaller repairings of the paint follow, before the weathering starts. Cheers Michael 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coneheadff Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Waaaaahnsinn!!!! Absolut gigantisch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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