Procopius Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2015/may/29/150528-hms-caroline "Experts working on the restoration of cruiser HMS Caroline have sliced through her history to reveal the exact paint scheme she ‘wore’ at the Battle of Jutland 99 years ago." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 That is interesting, especially this paragraph: "The research shows the cruiser has enjoyed many paint schemes through her life (we counted at least 38 layers) anywhere from a beige-cream to a rather dark grey at her launch in 1914" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeR Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 (edited) It would be nice if they went the whole hog and restored her to full Jutland condition, but you'd also be ripping out a lot of her subsequent history. Probably too expensive to do as well. Mike. Edited May 29, 2015 by MikeR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erewhon1872 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I wonder what seas "beige-cream" would have camouflaged you against? Fascinating article though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 I wonder what seas "beige-cream" would have camouflaged you against? Diminished chances of promotion in the Edwardian navy, I daresay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob G Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 No toxins in the paint? That doesn't sound right - there'd be lead, as a minimum one would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old thumper Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 My Grandad sailed with the Royal Marines in World War One, he would be nearly 120 years old if he were alive today and it makes me feel old to think that I knew someone from all that time back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erewhon1872 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Diminished chances of promotion in the Edwardian navy, I daresay. did you get promotion for having the prettiest battleship then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Vor!!! Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 did you get promotion for having the prettiest battleship then? Yes you did What your ship looked like was more important then gunnery Officers would buy paint to make the ship look better and during gunnery most ships threw the shells overboard rather then dirty the ship with cordite stains Then came a man called Fisher who swept all away Read the book. Castles of Steel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erewhon1872 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Yes you did What your ship looked like was more important then gunnery Officers would buy paint to make the ship look better and during gunnery most ships threw the shells overboard rather then dirty the ship with cordite stains Then came a man called Fisher who swept all away Read the book. Castles of Steel and there's always Gilbert and Sullivan from 'H.M.S. Pinafore'.............. "stick close by your desks, and never put to sea, and you all may be rulers of the Queen's Navveeeeeeeeeeee" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted August 20, 2015 Author Share Posted August 20, 2015 Yes you did What your ship looked like was more important then gunnery Officers would buy paint to make the ship look better and during gunnery most ships threw the shells overboard rather then dirty the ship with cordite stains Then came a man called Fisher who swept all away Read the book. Castles of Steel I would actually recommend Massie's earlier book, Dreadnought, about the pre-war modernization of the Royal Navy for a better idea of the pre-Fisher service and the changes he and officers like gunnery expert Percy Scott brought about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Vor!!! Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I would actually recommend Massie's earlier book, Dreadnought, about the pre-war modernization of the Royal Navy for a better idea of the pre-Fisher service and the changes he and officers like gunnery expert Percy Scott brought about. Yes your quite right its the earlier book i was thinking about I apolgise for any confusion caused 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaff752 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Thanks for this excellent information. I have been doing some research on this subject for years. A greenish gray for Jutland! Sod me for a lark! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Wonder if the beige-cream was part of a dazzle scheme. If so, even more shocking shades may be uncovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickrd Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) So where is this beige now they have published a photo showing a section though the layers of paint? http://www.nmrn.org.uk/explore/hms-caroline/project-updates Their identification which layer equals which year looks suspect in parts too. Edited December 30, 2015 by dickrd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamwalker Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 the beige/cream was more than most likely East Indies paint scheme most think of it as white/buff scheme, beige/cream is what they say, I doubt beige/cream is the official definition of the colours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickrd Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Indeed, but it does not fill you with great confidence for the potential accuracy of their restoration if they are unaware of the true colors used by the RN during Caroline's years in service and are simply going on the yellowed samples they find. For the record, the East Indies livery in 1919 was white with primrose yellow (not buff) funnels, masts and yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamwalker Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Sorry the white buff was a mistake, btw I always wondered about the white, back in the 70s when my brother was in the Andrew he served his time in the survey fleet, I saw 3 of the ships he served on close up and went aboard many times, what does this have to do with colours. As you may know the survey fleet wore the White/Buff scheme ONLY it was not White as in White but rather a semi gloss Slightly Creamy White. His ships were HMS Woodlark (old Ham class mine sweeper) HMS Fawn a Bulldog class survey ship and HMS Hecla lead ship of the Hecla class survey ships..I think this is the colour we are seeing here only weathered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickrd Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 The white that would have been used by Caroline in the East Indies 1919-22 was AP 537. This was a pure white. The mixing instructions for it contained only white colourants. During the 1920’s and 30’s the authorized mix permitted the addition of a very small amount of blue when it became AP 537A. The use of the pure white AP537 was reintroduced immediately post WW2, again with the addition of a very small amount of blue sanctioned. Around about 1947 the RN started trials of Alkyd paints but the aim of these was to reproduce the earlier hues and this was achieved after some initial hiccups. My understanding is that these new paints were used from 1949 onwards, but my interest being WW2 and earlier paints I have not researched their mixes. However these photos of Woodlark, Fawn and Hecla seem to show a pure rather than a creamy white: http://solentarchive.co.uk/piwigo/picture.php?/4660 https://www.flickr.com/photos/kev_slade/8893405816 http://www.maritimequest.com/warship_directory/great_britain/pages/aux_vessels/hecla_a133_page_1.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamwalker Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Yes those pictures do show a white / white don't they, ah but pictures lie too. I saw close up the colours and being a ship modeller since my early teens I noted the colours on most of the RN warships when I could get on them to view, helps having many family members in the Andrew esp on ships "family days" and I can assure you it was NOT Pure White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicarage Vee Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Off at a tangent, has there ever been a kit of a Caroline Class cruiser? I had a relative on HMS Comus who was at Jutland (previously on HMSs Duncan & Irresistible and later Princess Margaret) and have always fancied a model of it. Very elegant craft to my eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamwalker Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 in plastic no, don't know about resin though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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