alex Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Good morning, I'm about to get the infos for one of my next projects - a Rafale B or C, used in the operation "Harmattan" for hitting the bad guys. After some research on the net, I got to following points: Scalp: used by navy (one each aircraft) or air force (two each aircraft, later reduced to one). Along with two large tanks, 4 MICA, no other pods. Air Force used scalps only on two-seater. As only 15 scalps were used - has anyone the list of the aircraft which fired those? AASM: usually 4 per aircraft, two to three tanks, 4 MICA, and again, mostly no pod, since they are INS/GPS-Guided GBU-12: 4 per aircraft, two to three tanks, 4 MICA, and a damocles pod for laser designator, but only on the single-seat (but not on the two-seater- buddy lasing?) So, can anyone help with following points: only 4 laser guided bombs per aircraft were used. Any rule about two or three tanks? usually no damocles on the twin seater (but with some exceptions?) if I have to build a damocles pod - can I use a US lantirn pod (as in the hasegawa weapon set) as a base, and what to change? Any help in this matter is well appreciated. Oh, et dès que je comprend bien le français, un lien francophon peut aussi bien aider! Alex http://www.escadrilles.org/reportages/harmattan-zara/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rom1 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Hi, Here you have some pics: http://www.defense.gouv.fr/web-documentaire/bilan-harmattan/# And here you have all the articles published by french army: http://www.defense.gouv.fr/operations/autres-operations/operations-achevees/operation-harmattan-2011/actualites As for the loadout, you can find some stuff here: http://www.larsenal.com/accessoire-avion-c102x2499972 Damocles: http://www.larsenal.com/pod-de-designation-multi-fonctions-damocles-1-48-c2x15950846 http://www.larsenal.com/pod-de-designation-multi-fonctions-damocles-pour-rafale-1-48-c2x15950850 http://www.larsenal.com/pod-damocles-et-pylone-flir-nahar-1-48-c2x15950862 And the Reco NG pod: http://www.larsenal.com/pod-de-reconnaissance-aeros-ng-1-48-c2x15950857 bye! Romain 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 Thanks, I should have mentionned that I build in 1:72. So it looks like I'll get the Olimp set (with Damocles, AASM, GBU-12 and pylons) Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rom1 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Hi, Olimp set seems great! http://modelsua.com/Dassault-Rafale-Rafale-of-battle-mission-update-set-universal-decal-incl.-1-72-Olimp-Resin-Accessories-7234.html http://modelsua.com/Rafale-B-C-M-PE-incl.-Update-set-1-72-Olimp-Resin-Accessories-7208.html http://modelsua.com/Dassault-Rafale-B-C-M-with-mission-marking-BONUS-Normandie-Niemen-70-ANS-Scheme-1-72-Authentic-Decals-7264.html but you can find the 1/72nd Damocles by L'Arsenal: http://www.larsenal.com/pod-de-designation-multi-fonctions-damocles-pour-super-etendard-1-72-c2x15950909 bye Romain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 Thanks, I think I have made up my mind. As I also have a F-16 and a Tiffy in my stash, I will do the Rafale with the Scalp, which luckily is included in the kit. So I will have 3 different airplanes (Rafale, Tiffy, Viper) from 3 countries (F, GB, USA), doing 3 type of missions (Air interdiction, CAS, SEAD) with 3 different weapon systems (Scalp, PW, HARM). I thinks that's it! Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fin Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Very useful discussion. I was planing to build a Rafale M. What kit are you using btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted May 1, 2015 Author Share Posted May 1, 2015 The 1:72-Hobby Boss twoseater: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/101481-hobby-boss-87245-dassault-rafale-b. Along with the new decal sheet from Syhart: http://syhartdecal.fr/references.php?lang=FR&ref=48/72-915&page=description . Hopefully, it will looks like this in the end: http://rafalefan.e-monsite.com/medias/images/rafale-scalp.jpg?fx=r_550_550 The Rafale M looks like an earlier version, it lacks the electro-optical sensors right in front of the windscreen. it is included in the air-force rafales, and in one of the olimp resin sets. Alex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fin Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) The 1:72-Hobby Boss twoseater: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/101481-hobby-boss-87245-dassault-rafale-b. Along with the new decal sheet from Syhart: http://syhartdecal.fr/references.php?lang=FR&ref=48/72-915&page=description . Hopefully, it will looks like this in the end: http://rafalefan.e-monsite.com/medias/images/rafale-scalp.jpg?fx=r_550_550 Looking forward to it! Speaking of which, the Hobby Boss kit includes - what it calls the - Apache. Is there any visual difference between it and the SCALP? The Rafale M looks like an earlier version, it lacks the electro-optical sensors right in front of the windscreen. Are you referring to the Hobby Boss kit or...? EDIT: I think I see what you mean. I haven`t actually noticed those before. I think the Hobby Boss kit for the Rafale M lacks them and their C and B kits have them. Also, Revell`s and newer Italeri kits seem to have them too for the M version. What do those things do? Does their absence limit the weapons choice for the model? Edited May 1, 2015 by Fin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted May 1, 2015 Author Share Posted May 1, 2015 In fact, Apache and Scalp are not exactly the same (Apache has submunitions against runways, and scalp has a large single warhead). But they look rather the same, as the scalp is developed from the apache. I'll check once the kit arrived. I have anyway two Storm Shadows from the Typhoon-kit, so no real problem there. For the optronic: no, as far as I know. It's just a sensor used for air to air targeting/identification. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stalal Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Great decals sheet from Syhart. Covers most of what you are looking for and it also includes a great decal sheet for weapons. http://www.syhartdecal.fr/references.php?lang=ENG&ref=48/72-915&page=description I have bought it as I m also preparing to build the fantastic kit by Revell of Rafale B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted May 1, 2015 Author Share Posted May 1, 2015 Rafale STGB anyone? Alex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fin Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 lol And it would be sponsored directly by the French government looking to build on the image of the latest foreign sale (the 24 batch to Qatar). Seriously though, the 2011 intervention in Libya would have sufficient substance for an aircraft GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted May 1, 2015 Author Share Posted May 1, 2015 Let's see... Rafale, Mirage 2000, Tornado, Eurofighter, Mirage F1CR, F-16, Gazelle, Tiger, Puma, Dauphin, Aloutette III, Hawkeyes and Sentrys, Transall, KC-135, KDC-10, B-767 Tanker, Atlantique SIGINT, B-2, F-15, AV8B, AC-130, A-10, P-3C, Gripen. F/A-18... plus the targets! Yes, definetly enough potential for a GB Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fin Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I think you`ve skipped the Super Etendard. The F-16 had quite a few versions present, from the MLU of the European nations to the Block 60 of UAE. All in all, there`s something for everyone who wants to build a nowadays military aircraft, even though sort of lacking in representation on the Russian/Chinese side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stalal Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Why is it that Rafale carrying smart bombs does not carry a targeting pod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted May 2, 2015 Author Share Posted May 2, 2015 Two guesses: 1) Double seater has less fuel than the single seater, so I think they didn't want to add more drag on the shorter range aircraft unless really neccessary. 2) They just didn't have enough to supply each single aircraft, so they had just one pod per twoship. The AASM has a GPS/INS-seeker, so no need for a targeting pod, if you know the target in advance or someone tells you the coordinates (and is not moving, of course...). They can be used however to retreive the coordinates and feed them to the weapon. For the GBU-12, I guess they did buddy lasing. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stalal Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Could it be possible to Rafale to carry simultaneously a Damocles pod as well as Reco NG pod on the centreline, with bombs on outboard wing pylons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Technicaly speaking, yes, but doubtfull on the operationnal side. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stalal Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Technicaly speaking, yes, but doubtfull on the operationnal side. That is what I thought so too. I have not seen an operational Rafale carrying the two pods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stalal Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) Has anyone seen a Rafale carrying a mix load of Sagem Hammer and GBU-12 or a Scalp on one of the wing hard points and a cluster of three bombs on the opposite wing hard point? I m thinking of a mix load Rafale but I want to confirm if theres such a configuration in operational deployments. Edited August 14, 2017 by stalal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 SAGEM is no more, that's SAFRAN. Only the latest version of AASM use laser for terminal guidance. So at least for the first two, there's no sense to bring GBU-12 together, as then a designation pod must be loaded, to be used with only half the bombs. Also, in my mind, no sense to bring bombs on a scalp mission, as the missile is a stand-off weapon with 250km range 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 Never seen a picture of this loadout configuration. It looks a bit too mixed to me. As Antione said, either you go for a distant strike with Scalps, or go into the battle with LGB. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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