Pappy Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 G'day Guru's, I am doing research for an Op Telic GR.7. I have been reading through various threads on here and I have become a little confused. I need a few questions answered. I will be using the 1/48 Hasegawa GR.7 kit and the Model Alliance Decal sheet. 1. Did the Op Telic jets have the 65% LEX? 2. What was a typical ordnance configuration? I would like a pretty tough looking load so I am hoping for something like (l-r) 1 Paveway II (UK) 2 CRV-7 (?) 1a BOL + AIM-9M 3 Tank 4 ADEN 5 ? 6 TIALD 7 Tank 9a BOL + AIM-9M 8 CRV-7 (?) 9 Paveway II (UK) 3. I have a TIALD pod but no pylon for it. I understand that Wolfpack made a Sniper/Pylon set but this is sold out. Does anyone have a drawing that I can use to scratch one up? cheers, Pappy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 1. It depends on the jet - the LERX depended on the tail number, the higher ones had 100%, the lower 65%, so oth were used in telic. 2. Agaion, dep3nds on the jet/mission. I don't recall seeing LGBs and Rockets on the same airframe, although you did get Maverick and RBL755 cluster bombs e.g.: I'll have a look and see 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piero Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Hi, 1. As Dave says, the LERX depending on the serial number. Most of ZDxxx has the 65% "small" LERX. Most of the ZGxxx has the 100% "big" LERX. 2. During the early stage of Op Telic the war load includes AIM-9M, but after the first weeks with no enemy fighters around the missiles were not carried. IIRC, CRV-7 rocket pods were never used during Op Telic. Paveway II or E-Paveway II were not cleared for outboard pylons (station 1 & 9). Usually those pylons were only for RBL755, 500lb bomb or BOL. At that time Paveway II were loaded under stations 2 & 8, and when they used the E-Paveway II were loaded under stations 3 & 7. During the early stage of operation the station 5 was used for RBL755. After was used only for JRP recce pod. CIAO! Piero 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobski Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 1. It depends on the jet - the LERX depended on the tail number, the higher ones had 100%, the lower 65%, so oth were used in telic. 2. Agaion, dep3nds on the jet/mission. I don't recall seeing LGBs and Rockets on the same airframe, although you did get Maverick and RBL755 cluster bombs e.g.: I'll have a look and see That's the first picture I've ever seen of an RAF Harrier carrying a live Maverick during Telic! Thanks for sharing. Don't suppose you have any more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piero Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) here some pics of RAF Harriers with "live" Maverick during Op Telic. I'm not the owner of the pics. Pics are only for discussion purpose. ... and, NOT all the GR.7s were TIALD-capable at that time... so, check your references Piero Edited April 22, 2015 by Piero 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattBlack33 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Really nice pics, Piero. Where did they come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) The one I posted came via Google! :-) Also worth mentioning is the fact that in the pics that Piero shared you can see that the aircraft are carrying FOUR BOL launchers, two on the missile pylons and two on the outer pylons. This wasn't to carry 4 AIM9s (although they could) but to give additional chaff protection Edited April 22, 2015 by Dave Fleming 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted April 22, 2015 Author Share Posted April 22, 2015 G'day people, Fantastic info, keep it coming! So, a revised weapon config: 1 RBL755 2 AGM-65* 1a BOL + AIM-9M (optional) 3 Tank 4 ADEN 5 JRP 6 ADEN 7 Tank 9a BOL + AIM-9M (optional) 8 AGM-65* 9 RBL755 * what version of AGM-65? The pics look like I have looked at the decal options on my sheet, all four options are ZG's (401, 479, 504 and 505). I want to do a 65% LEX bird so I will need to source some ZD-xxx decals. Also, does anyone produce a 1/48 JRP? cheers, Pappy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobski Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 * what version of AGM-65? The pics look like Looking at the photos they appear to be AGM-65Gs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Specifically G-2s. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted April 23, 2015 Author Share Posted April 23, 2015 Looking at the photos they appear to be AGM-65Gs... Specifically G-2s. G'day, Thanks very much fellas, that is a huge help! I have another question, does anyone know which of the ZD-xxx numbers with a 65% LEX that was deployed to Op Telic cheers, Pappy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Here is another Maverick load with what looks like a GP bomb on the c/l: http://operationtelic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/35-Harrier-Azraq-03-2003-03.jpg Jari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted April 26, 2015 Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 Cheers Fin, A new question. What colour is the undercarriage painted? I am thinking white, but it looks light grey in some shots, but this could just be due to dirt and the paint changing hue with age. Is the speed brake inner side also the same colour as the undercarriage and bays? cheers Pappy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4scourge7 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) I used the official MoD Telic pic gallery posted from 2003 onwards for my Maverick loaded Harrier but I can`t seem to find the site anymore (gone I assume). Still got the jump jet though. http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal10/9301-9400/gal9331-Harrier-Buick/00.shtm Cheers, Ian Edited April 26, 2015 by ian buick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 G'day, Thanks very much fellas, that is a huge help! I have another question, does anyone know which of the ZD-xxx numbers with a 65% LEX that was deployed to Op Telic cheers, Pappy I have been looking through the "Model Alliance" on target book on Op Telic and in the profile section on the Harrier there are the following ZD serial numbered aircraft. ZD401. ZD352. ZD408. ZD437. ZD468. (not a profile but a picture). It does not state the LERX % of these aircraft, but the picture of ZD468 shows it to be a 65% aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Here's an earlier thread on serial-to-LERX correlation: http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/69792-raf-harrier-lerx/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AjD Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 This is a really shameless plug for some work of my own (for which I apologise) but almost all of the questions you've asked are answered within these pages if it's of help...? Harrier II in the 21st Century To be clear...I am NOT on commission! In order to be as helpful as possible though, here's some info from within the pages of the book...Harrier's deployed on Op Telic were: ZD352/19 - 65% LERX ZD379/27 - 65% LERX ZD380/28 - 65% LERX ZD401/30 - 65% LERX ZD408/37 - 65% LERX ZD437/49 - 65% LERX ZD461/51 - 65% LERX ZD463/53 - 65% LERX ZD467/57 - 65% LERX ZD468/58 - 65% LERX ZG477/67 - 100% LERX (originally 65% LERX, pre-Telic) ZG479/69 - 100% LERX (originally 65% LERX, pre-Telic) ZG480/70 - 100% LERX (originally 65% LERX, pre-Telic) ZG502/73 - 100% LERX (originally 65% LERX, pre-Telic) ZG504/75 - 100% LERX (originally 65% LERX, pre-Telic) ZG505/76 - 100% LERX (originally 65% LERX, pre-Telic) ZG510/81 - 100% LERX ZG511/82 - 100% LERX ZG857/89 - 100% LERX ZG859/91 - 100% LERX There's a lot more info on the airframes and weaponry in the book but I hope the above helps for starters! Best of luck with the build! Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Cheers Fin, A new question. What colour is the undercarriage painted? I am thinking white, but it looks light grey in some shots, but this could just be due to dirt and the paint changing hue with age. Is the speed brake inner side also the same colour as the undercarriage and bays? cheers Pappy It's a light grey with a hint of blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AjD Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Cheers Fin, A new question. What colour is the undercarriage painted? I am thinking white, but it looks light grey in some shots, but this could just be due to dirt and the paint changing hue with age. Is the speed brake inner side also the same colour as the undercarriage and bays? cheers Pappy Undercarriage is white but became rapidly more dirty. Air brake bay was matt black with the reverse side of the brake itself being the same colour as the airframe exterior. Posted some images of the book pages here a few months back. There I go again...a shameless plug! I'm now logging off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted April 26, 2015 Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 G'day Andy, Jabba and everyone else that replied, Thank you very much for your very generous assistance, I really appreciate it, I think I now have everything I need for my build, cheers, Pappy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Yeah, sorry, i was thinking Gr3 u/c colours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Hi, IIRC, CRV-7 rocket pods were never used during Op Telic. CIAO! Piero Is that not a CRV-7 pod under the right wing on the harrier pic above your post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piero Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Is that not a CRV-7 pod under the right wing on the harrier pic above your post? .... mmmmh.. no. None of the pics I've posted has rocket pod... Which pic are you looking at? If you're looking at the pic of Dave's post, its the black pointed tip of the fuel tank. CIAO! Piero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 With the straight body it looked more like a rocket pod to me than a fuel tank. Certainly does not have the same profile as the tank on the other wing? its quite hard to see though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piero Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 With the straight body it looked more like a rocket pod to me than a fuel tank. Certainly does not have the same profile as the tank on the other wing? its quite hard to see though. ... I think is an optical illusion due the prospective of the pic... As for the profile, the straight "body" on the bottom part is one of fin of the Maverick behind the fuel tank. Same for the profile of the point of the fule tank... is "rounded" by the cap over the sensor of the Maverick. That's my interpretation. CIAO! Piero P.S.: And the frangible cap of the CRV-7 rocket pod (19 shots) was always in olive-green colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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