viscount806x Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Thinking today about the new Airfix Dak which has been discussed recently regarding various configurations, can any members out there suggest some good reference books? I did have a little look myself but they seem a bit thin on the ground. I'm thinking along the lines of exhausts, engines, oil cooler intakes etc. I have a few kits in hand but the more I look, the worse the confusion seems to get. Is there anything definitive about out there? Nige B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptmvarsityfan Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Sadly there is very little out there aimed at modellers, could do with a Warpaint style publication! Air-Britain have published a couple of hefty tomes but they are rather pricey, I got the second one at a bargain price but although there are lots of photos its not aimed at the modeller cheers, paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) Is there not a Squadron Signal "in Action"? Possibly long out of print. There was a Profile - even longer gone. I suspect you may have to choose a set of markings that are available, and go with whatever suits that from the advice on the transfer sheet. Just what period/role are you thinking of? RAF? USAAF? Civil? WW2? Vietnam? The key recognition difference I recall is that C-47Bs have the longer air intake on top of the cowling. At least it's a start. Edited April 4, 2015 by Graham Boak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viscount806x Posted April 5, 2015 Author Share Posted April 5, 2015 Cheers guys, it is as I thought then, not a lot about. Graham, I know of the Profile - I have a few Profiles and although tempted by one recently, albeit at an inflation busting (upwards) price, I left it. They were good for their time but seemed to concentrate on colour schemes rather than the stuff I'm looking for. As I see it the C47B had different engines thus the different intake variations. Back to old fashioned research then on this one. We perhaps get used, these days, to googling instant answers and lose the old skills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Russell Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Just scanning my hard drive I see I have collected a few..... I wouldn't think there is a 'definitive' publiction. It's likely there is better info on the net. DC-3 pre-1942 Profile Number 96 Dakota Mk I-IV Profile Number 220 R4D variants Profile Number 249 De Geschiedenis van de Douglas Dakota Douglas DC-3/Lisunov Li-2 (Illustrierte Reihe fur den Typensammler â„–21 Aviation Classics 22: Douglas DC-3/C-47 Dakota The Douglas DC-3 (Aeroplane Classic Airliner) Squadron-Signal 149 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptmvarsityfan Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 on the website boxartden.com all the old profiles are available to download for free including the dakota, click on modelling references icon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viscount806x Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 on the website boxartden.com all the old profiles are available to download for free including the dakota, click on modelling references icon. Thanks for that Paul, that is an excellent website which I hadn't previously encountered. Nige B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I'm fairly convinced that there must be (have been) at least one by Arthur Pearcy, and probably one in the Crowood series . Well, I could have googled straight away...Type Arthur Pearcy into the abebooks search, and you will find a number by him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Didn't IPMS UK do a run down on variants about 20+ years ago? My copy is long lost unfortunately but I *think* it was a reprint from IPMS USA. As far as I recall it didn't cover Lisunov or Showa licence built versions though. Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Arthur Pearcy is (was?) The Man when it came to the DC-3/Dakota: he wrote the Ian Allen At War title and sundry other works on the subject. I haven't checked but I shouldn't be surprised if he also wrote the Air Britain book: without him it just wouldn't have been as good as it could have been. Apart from any A-B offering, his magnum opus wasThe Dakota, published by Ian Allen in 1972. 320 pages of which the last 80 are B/W photos. No doubt expensive on the second hand market but worth looking out for. IPMS mag did do a very good article with drawings on Dakota variations but I can't remember when that was either. Short of that, Squadron Signal 149 C-47 Skytrain In Action has the usual drawings showing variations between variants of the C-47 family, from DC-1 to C-117 not forgetting the Li-2 and L2D Tabby. If anyone is interested, I have an absolutely mint copy for sale (duplicated purchase): yours for £6 plus £2 p&p. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarLos Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 I Didn't IPMS UK do a run down on variants about 20+ years ago? My copy is long lost unfortunately but I *think* it was a reprint from IPMS USA. As far as I recall it didn't cover Lisunov or Showa licence built versions though.Trevor I would be very interested in this article, mainly if it has details on the undercarriage of the pre-war DC-3. Details of the issue in which it was printed would help too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeC Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 You could also try contacting David Gait, who runs the IPMS DC3/C-47/Dakota SIG http://www.ipmsuk.co.uk/sigs.php(scroll down a bit, it's under "DC3..." in the list). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 I would be very interested in this article, mainly if it has details on the undercarriage of the pre-war DC-3. If I recall correctly, it didn't: it wasn't that detailed! More side views of the different fuselage configurations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 The Air Britain "book", which was three volumes and has now had a fourth added, was by Jennifer Gradridge, relying of course on the worldwide network of Air Britain and other DC-3 enthusiasts. Which probably did include Arthur Piercey, though his core speciality was USAAF aircraft operating in Europe. The work is dedicated to a near-complete history of each individual airframe (and predominantly civil, at that) rather than being a technical or operational history, and as such only tangentially interesting to most modellers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viscount806x Posted April 19, 2015 Author Share Posted April 19, 2015 Gents (and Ladies), may we assume then, from this discussion, that we still need a 'modellers reference' book from the likes of Warpaint / 4+ / Valiant Wings then? Isn't it strange considering that we have several books covering marginal types (cue gasps of horror and much trolling getting going) such as the Welkin, Scimitar, (insert here one of your own choice) and the Dak has been almost ignored? Hopefully some kind soul is following this thread and might oblige us. Thanks to all for the contributions. Sorry if I upset anyone by paragraph 1 above. Nige 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixII Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) Evening Nige, sorry to be 'tail-end Charlie', a few more you could try to obtain:- No.1 has already been mentioned, Title Author(s) Publisher 1. Dakota at War, Arthur Pearcy, Ian Allan, H/B, ISBN 0 7110 1217 2 2. Fifty Glorious Years, Arthur Pearcy, Airlife, H/B, ISBN 0 9063 9349 3 3. The Dakota, Jacques Borge / Nicolas Viasnoff Warne H/B ISBN 0 7232 2963 5 (English Version) 4. DC-3 and C-47 Gooney Birds Michael O'Leary Airlife C/C ISBN 1 8531 0379 9 5. Useful ? website, http://www.dc-3.co.za/dc-3-c-47-books.html with just a 'few' more ideas! There is the fore runner of No.2? 40 Glorious Years and the sequel, 60 Glorious Years. The above are principally photo essays, BUT, do contain some superb interior shots and photo's of pre war liveries. The one exception so far is No.3, which takes you through the lineage from the DC-1 to the Super DC-3 via the C-47, Li-2 and 'Tabby'. Also for the pedantic, the MAJORITY of DC-3's (exclusions mainly in central and south America) became C-something, as did the DC-2's, starting with the C-33 and running to the C-117 HTH, Paul Edited April 22, 2015 by PhoenixII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viscount806x Posted April 23, 2015 Author Share Posted April 23, 2015 Evening Nige, sorry to be 'tail-end Charlie', a few more you could try to obtain:- No.1 has already been mentioned, Title Author(s) Publisher 1. Dakota at War, Arthur Pearcy, Ian Allan, H/B, ISBN 0 7110 1217 2 2. Fifty Glorious Years, Arthur Pearcy, Airlife, H/B, ISBN 0 9063 9349 3 3. The Dakota, Jacques Borge / Nicolas Viasnoff Warne H/B ISBN 0 7232 2963 5 (English Version) 4. DC-3 and C-47 Gooney Birds Michael O'Leary Airlife C/C ISBN 1 8531 0379 9 5. Useful ? website, http://www.dc-3.co.za/dc-3-c-47-books.html with just a 'few' more ideas! There is the fore runner of No.2? 40 Glorious Years and the sequel, 60 Glorious Years. The above are principally photo essays, BUT, do contain some superb interior shots and photo's of pre war liveries. The one exception so far is No.3, which takes you through the lineage from the DC-1 to the Super DC-3 via the C-47, Li-2 and 'Tabby'. Also for the pedantic, the MAJORITY of DC-3's (exclusions mainly in central and south America) became C-something, as did the DC-2's, starting with the C-33 and running to the C-117 HTH, Paul Thanks for taking time to put that lot up Paul, appreciated, Nige Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panoz Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Just FYI the following title is excellent (covers all civilian and military variants in great detail) has loads of photos even of some obscure variants and best of all can be found dirt cheap. http://www.amazon.com/The-DC-3-Years-Legendary-Flight/dp/0830681949 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viscount806x Posted January 23, 2016 Author Share Posted January 23, 2016 Just FYI the following title is excellent (covers all civilian and military variants in great detail) has loads of photos even of some obscure variants and best of all can be found dirt cheap. http://www.amazon.com/The-DC-3-Years-Legendary-Flight/dp/0830681949 Thanks for that Panoz, I have ordered one but unfortunately not quite so dirt cheap here in the UK as on the US Amazon site linked above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-21 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Also do not forget the Haynes manual on the DC-3 quite detailed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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