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DominikS

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Seahawk, if that is a serious offer I might well be interested  in taking you up on it. I am always willing to do generic sheets as they can be useful for a lot of people but I need convincing that they have a wide use and would be needed by rather more than 12-15 people. Add 200 to that number and the price of printing becomes more reasonable. We can get smaller runs done but in some cases these can cost more than our printer's normal minimum  run.

David Hannant

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I think I said at the beginning of this thread that NATO standard symbols would be useful. All those No Step, boot with a red X, fuelling point etc would be good.

 

Trevor

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I'd like to second Seahawk's suggestion of a East Indies Fleet  sheet, I've got several sheets with specific markings, (Freightdog Brits at Sea, Xtradecal Yanks with Roundels & the xtradecal BPF sheet plus some other odd ones but when it comes to doing specific subjects outside those sheets, as I'd like to do, I've found myself up against not having the right combinations available, something which a sheets like Seahawk suggests would likely go a long way to solving.

Steve. 

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17 hours ago, decalmaster said:

Seahawk, if that is a serious offer I might well be interested  in taking you up on it. I am always willing to do generic sheets as they can be useful for a lot of people but I need convincing that they have a wide use and would be needed by rather more than 12-15 people. Add 200 to that number and the price of printing becomes more reasonable. We can get smaller runs done but in some cases these can cost more than our printer's normal minimum  run.

David Hannant

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David,

 

Thank you for this constructive response.  I appreciate that modellers often have unrealistic expectations of how popular their own pet topics will be.  On the other hand, you have evidently found the old Modeldecal British Pacific Fleet sheet a sufficiently good seller to reissue it in the Xtradecal range.  I would argue that the availability of that sheet actually did a lot to create the demand: now (maybe!) it's the EIF's turn.  I will be in touch via your e-mail address to discuss details.

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Our current British Pacific sheet includes two sheets, one with the roundels and bars and the other with white letters and numbers. It would be simple enough to reprint the letters and numbers in another colour but as soon as they are outlined the price shoots up because the artwork has to be redone and an extra colour pushes up the printing cost, as does having to worry about registering them. I would think that the letters sheets would be best packed individually with out the roundels which could also be done separately. I would be interested to have your opinion.

David Hannant

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22 hours ago, decalmaster said:

Our current British Pacific sheet includes two sheets, one with the roundels and bars and the other with white letters and numbers. It would be simple enough to reprint the letters and numbers in another colour but as soon as they are outlined the price shoots up because the artwork has to be redone and an extra colour pushes up the printing cost, as does having to worry about registering them. I would think that the letters sheets would be best packed individually with out the roundels which could also be done separately. I would be interested to have your opinion.

David Hannant

I see two questions there:

 

1.  Is it a good idea to sell the national markings and the code letters/numbers separately?  In my opinion, as a general rule, yes: for the buyer it reduces the problem of having to buy stuff you don't want to get what you do want.  (Cf Modelart, where I don't care in the slightest about the French stuff but have to buy it for the FAA subjects.)

2.  Would it be a good idea to reissue the letters and numbers sheet from the British Pacific Fleet (BPF) pack in different colours eg yellow?  In my opinion, no.  Firstly because the only letters included are those used on BPF fins to denote parent carrier, not full alphabets, and secondly the changeover to BPF-style markings was pretty "big-bang", almost overnight, meaning that the styles were, by FAA standards, fairly uniform and not really typical of those used earlier in the war.  I think a better but still low-cost option would be to simply redo sheets X72189 (sky letters) and X72213 (sky numbers) in yellow.  However that doesn't offer the buyer many numbers so modifying the artwork of X72213 so that the Prototype P markings are replaced by a repeat set of numerals would offer much better value.  I was tempted to suggest going one further and instead issuing just the one sheet combining the 18" and 24" letters and numbers from both sheets at the expense of the 30" characters but some aircraft (Walrus, Grumman Goose) would need the 30" codes so it's probably better to retain them.  And you get to sell us 2 sheets vice one!

 

But I am just one of your customers.  Others may have different views.

 

Hope this helps.

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On ‎6‎/‎26‎/‎2018 at 11:10 AM, Seahawk said:

David,

 

Thank you for this constructive response.  I appreciate that modellers often have unrealistic expectations of how popular their own pet topics will be.  On the other hand, you have evidently found the old Modeldecal British Pacific Fleet sheet a sufficiently good seller to reissue it in the Xtradecal range.  I would argue that the availability of that sheet actually did a lot to create the demand: now (maybe!) it's the EIF's turn.  I will be in touch via your e-mail address to discuss details.

@decalmaster

 

David,

 

Please see my e-mail to you at 1025 on 4 July.  Regards.

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More people are starting to experiment with making their own decals these days (albeit a small minority of modellers still) but printing white decals remains an issue.

 

Because of that I still believe that there would be commercial mileage in a sheet of serial- and code-sized letters, numbers and arm of service titles in the same way that the old Modeldecal sheets did.  Especially so if this were updated to include things like Qinetic, DHFS etc, the sort of thing that appeared on Model Alliance sheets but are now all but unobtainable.

 

It's a sheet that has the bonus of needing minimal research too.

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On 6/27/2018 at 10:29 PM, Seahawk said:

I see two questions there:

 

1.  Is it a good idea to sell the national markings and the code letters/numbers separately?  In my opinion, as a general rule, yes: for the buyer it reduces the problem of having to buy stuff you don't want to get what you do want.  (Cf Modelart, where I don't care in the slightest about the French stuff but have to buy it for the FAA subjects.)

2.  Would it be a good idea to reissue the letters and numbers sheet from the British Pacific Fleet (BPF) pack in different colours eg yellow?  In my opinion, no.  Firstly because the only letters included are those used on BPF fins to denote parent carrier, not full alphabets, and secondly the changeover to BPF-style markings was pretty "big-bang", almost overnight, meaning that the styles were, by FAA standards, fairly uniform and not really typical of those used earlier in the war.  I think a better but still low-cost option would be to simply redo sheets X72189 (sky letters) and X72213 (sky numbers) in yellow.  However that doesn't offer the buyer many numbers so modifying the artwork of X72213 so that the Prototype P markings are replaced by a repeat set of numerals would offer much better value.  I was tempted to suggest going one further and instead issuing just the one sheet combining the 18" and 24" letters and numbers from both sheets at the expense of the 30" characters but some aircraft (Walrus, Grumman Goose) would need the 30" codes so it's probably better to retain them.  And you get to sell us 2 sheets vice one!

 

But I am just one of your customers.  Others may have different views.

 

Hope this helps.

I am in complete agreement with all of the above!

 

Mark.

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11 hours ago, Vicarage Vee said:

 

Because of that I still believe that there would be commercial mileage in a sheet of serial- and code-sized letters, numbers and arm of service titles in the same way that the old Modeldecal sheets did.  Especially so if this were updated to include things like Qinetic, DHFS etc, the sort of thing that appeared on Model Alliance sheets but are now all but unobtainable.

 

I'd happily shell out for that sheet if it were to materialise.

 

Mark.

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On ‎7‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 12:42 PM, Vicarage Vee said:

Because of that I still believe that there would be commercial mileage in a sheet of serial- and code-sized letters, numbers and arm of service titles in the same way that the old Modeldecal sheets did.  Especially so if this were updated to include things like Qinetic, DHFS etc, the sort of thing that appeared on Model Alliance sheets but are now all but unobtainable.

 

I notice now that you have indeed re-issued MD048B as X72158, which is very welcome.  It would still be very useful to update the titles on it, there could be room for a few of the more modern ones.

 

(prototype Phantom ones too now that the RAM sheets have disappeared, please) 

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