xffw45343tg Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Handling one's flange in public is frowned upon, Ced. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshiretaurus Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 46 minutes ago, Kirk said: Handling one's flange in public is frowned upon, Ced. Except it seems in some parts of Yorkshire. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 14 hours ago, Cheshiretaurus said: Except it seems in some parts of Yorkshire. ...and some 'Gentlemen's Establishments' in Germany. I'm told 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xffw45343tg Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 40 minutes ago, Col. said: some 'Gentlemen's Establishments' in Germany Got any addresses? Asking for a friend... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasacop Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 16 hours ago, Kirk said: Handling one's flange in public is frowned upon, Ced. Only if you get caught!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomoshenko Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) That is scarily neat Steve, very scarily neat. On 12/4/2019 at 9:20 AM, perdu said: Sellotape Plain simple Sellotape, other names are available Stick it down where you want the flange, cut away the flange you don't want Walk away Isn't it called "Durex" in Australia....snigger snigger… Edited December 5, 2019 by Tomoshenko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshiretaurus Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 On 12/4/2019 at 9:20 AM, perdu said: cut away the flange you don't want Walk away Been trying to do that for years unsuccessfully. 🤣🤣 Right thats me banned from BM for Christmas. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I feel this is no longer a safe or suitable place... 😕 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted December 6, 2019 Author Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) In an example of modelling finesse and skill I have sloshed some Mr Surfacer around the vortex generators and wing fences: The little ‘oles into which the VGs had been planted needed a tad of filling and the wing fences and fl*nges are supposed to be one piece of bent metal and so any visible joins also needed filling. Cue quite a bit of time spent trying to unscrew the gummed up tops of my various Mr Surfacer (500, 1000 & 1500) and Mr Dissolved putty jars (not entirely sure how I came to be a ‘collector’ of such things) - followed by further time spent adding Mr Mr Color Levelling Thinner to resuscitate the sticky lumps that the contents had become....... Anyways - after several seconds of contemplation Mr S 1000 was selected for the task and I look forward (?) to a session micromeshing the excess back..... Many moons ago I thinnned and shaped the ailerons to commendably sharp corners......which have now of course all got bashed up and damaged - as the starboard one in the above piccie demonstrates.... If I was the Baron I would simply and immediately swap the ailerons for precision hand-crafted brass replacements......but seeing as I’m barely beyond etched brass folding (and only learnt from Ced’s Sunderland thread this morning that you fold etched brass with the half-etch line inside...) I’m just gonna add blobs of thick cyano to the damaged aileron tips and sand them sharp again...... Edited December 6, 2019 by Fritag 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 22 minutes ago, Fritag said: I’m just gonna add blobs of thick cyano to the damaged aileron tips and sand them sharp again...... You may want to try CA mixed with flour. It can be sanded to razor thin. HTH Ciao 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted December 6, 2019 Author Share Posted December 6, 2019 1 minute ago, giemme said: You may want to try CA mixed with flour. It can be sanded to razor thin. HTH Yes.....I may raid the kitchen cupboard this afternoon. Plain or Self Raising? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshiretaurus Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Plain of coarse Self raising would be used for airship models 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 23 minutes ago, Cheshiretaurus said: Self raising would be used for airship models Good point! In all seriousness, I'd go with plain (the one I use is gluten free and plain): you don't want to risk strange reactions... Ciao 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Is true What is this me here again? dammit busted, kinda addictive innit.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 6 hours ago, Fritag said: If I was the Baron I would simply and immediately swap the ailerons for precision hand-crafted brass replacements. Aileron = single piece of brass folded in half lengthways - I'm not a complicated man Steve! Mrs. B has a thick dossier on the subject by now. (My simplemindedness, not ailerons, obvs...) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xffw45343tg Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 25 minutes ago, TheBaron said: piece of brass folded in half... ...which raises the question: where do you chaps buy your brass sheet? I may just be in time to put some on my Christmas list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted December 6, 2019 Author Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) Spent the evening cleaning up the Mr Surfacer and re-establishing pointy aileron tips with cyano. Mixed flour with cyano as Giorgio mentioned above and as I’ve seen him do on his builds, and I found that a good filler. I think it dries a bit softer than neat cyano (although I’ve not left it several hours to see if it hardens just as hard) and so I used tiny blobs of neat cyano at the very tips of the ailerons. Jobs to do before main painting (I think) are: (1) Fit the Instrument panels and coamings (2) Attach the windscreen and blend it in to the fuselage (probably the biggest job) (3) Attach the airbrakes and fuselage strakes. (4) Attach the flaps (or I may paint them separately and attach them later) (5) Attach the tailplane [all of these sub assemblies have more or less been made/got ready for fitting] (6) Touch up the primer and micro mesh....I’ve tried to keep it neat as I’ve been going along so as to keep the work needed at that stage to a minimum - but I ‘spect some horrors will be revealed. Then polish....and polish.....and polish.... PS. Added by Edit. I’ll try Tony’s (allegedly simple ) brass ailerons on my next build..........Oh wait; the Jag didn’t have ailerons......shame... Edited December 6, 2019 by Fritag 11 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulaero Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 21 minutes ago, Fritag said: Spent the evening cleaning up the Mr Surfacer and re-establishing pointy aileron tips with cyano. Mixed flour with cyano as Giorgio mentioned above and as I’ve seen him do on his builds, and I found that a good filler. I think it dries a bit softer than neat cyano (although I’ve not left it several hours to see if it hardens just as hard) and so I used tiny blobs of neat cyano at the very tips of the ailerons. Jobs to do before main painting (I think) are: (1) Fit the Instrument panels and coamings (2) Attach the windscreen and blend it in to the fuselage (probably the biggest job) (3) Attach the airbrakes and fuselage strakes. (4) Attach the flaps (or I may paint them separately and attach them later) (5) Attach the tailplane [all of these sub assemblies have more or less been made/got ready for fitting] (6) Touch up the primer and micro mesh....I’ve tried to keep it neat as I’ve been going along so as to keep the work needed at that stage to a minimum - but I ‘spect some horrors will be revealed. Then polish....and polish.....and polish.... PS. Added by Edit. I’ll try Tony’s (allegedly simple ) brass ailerons on my next build..........Oh wait; the Jag didn’t have ailerons......shame... Try Bicarbonate of soda instead of flour is rock solid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Very nice Steve - with just six jobs left to do is there a chance they might be finished, er, soon? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted December 6, 2019 Author Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, CedB said: is there a chance they might be finished, er, soon? Yes Ced. I think there's is definite, may be possibility that they may be, could be, might be, finished within the overall scope of a fluid, not too particular, expansively expressed, definition of soon In geological timescales anyway....... Edited December 6, 2019 by Fritag 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Paulaero said: Try Bicarbonate of soda instead of flour is rock solid Was about to post the same - just don't leave it dry too long as it's then like trying to sand real rock....!! And that little list of jobs shouldn't take more than a couple of hours Steve - paint on by Sunday?! Keith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 10 hours ago, Fritag said: I think it dries a bit softer than neat cyano (although I’ve not left it several hours to see if it hardens just as hard) and so I used tiny blobs of neat cyano at the very tips of the ailerons. That sounds odd. I'm guessing it can be down to the type of CA and the type of flour I use. BTW: I don't pre-mix cyano and flour, I put CA on first, then sprinkle flour on top of it, so it gets absorbed by the glue, then after a couple of minutes brush off the excess flour. On larger bits I repeat the process a few times. And I used to use soda bicarbonate too, but I've never been happy with the finish once sanded, it always came out grainy for me. Horses for courses, I guess Ciao 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted December 7, 2019 Author Share Posted December 7, 2019 1 hour ago, giemme said: BTW: I don't pre-mix cyano and flour, I put CA on first, then sprinkle flour on top of it Yes I thought that’s how you did it - and so I followed suit. I was pleased with the result and I’ll use it again 👍 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 5 hours ago, giemme said: Horses for courses, I guess Certainly is G, I tried using flour after seeing what great results you get with it, but I also found it was a bit soft and tended to flake or delaminate wwhen sanded. I guess it's possible there could be more varieties of flour than bicarb....? Keith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshiretaurus Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Ive seen there seems to be theme of videos on social media recently of using ramen dried noodles and superglue to fix various things. Maybe grinding some noodles up to a powder and using that as an experiment. Something I might try one day on pot noodle day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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