SimonR Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 And we're off!! And yes, Steve, if you've got a higher-res scan of your Hawk taking off from Chiv with Heanton in the background i'd love to have a copy! cheers Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms111s Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 I look forward to watching this too, the fact that they are representations of aircraft you flew and the stories and photographs you have makes it even more interesting. Just makes me sad that I'm a bit too thick and old now to be a pilot in the RAF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougC Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 And we're off! I, like many others here, have been really looking forward to this one If I may be so bold as to make one suggestion? Before you close up the fuselage halves, try to get hold of a couple of .22 rounds - not the actual bullets but the spent, empty brass cartridge cases........ http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234929350-airfix-hawk-after-a-long-lay-off/?hl=%2Bdougc+%2Bhawk#entry1194468 They're the perfect diameter & scale thickness, they have depth & they even come "pre-shaded" Only thing you need to watch for is the CofG change! Let the masterclass commence! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace From Outer Space Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Ooh, fair play Mr. Friday! I have had three Airfix Hawks sat in a box for a couple of years waiting for me to do something to them so I'll be watching this WIP with eagle eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms111s Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Obviously I never flew the Hawk - we 'lumpy jumpers' weren't deemed able to fly 'Operational' aircraft (don't get me started!) when I went through the system. It took me a while but I've just worked out what a 'lumpy jumper' is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody37 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Where've I been for two days? Just noticed you've stopped skiving Steve and started to crack on Pop corn is going to be in short supply here in the UK over the coming months....and possibly the rest of the world! Only problem is though I tend to watch your build rather than doing my own...doh! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cngaero Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Just up my street. I've got a real soft spot for RAF trainers whatever the era. What are you planning next after the Hawks? I need to know how much popcorn to order. I know, I'll get me coat . Just kidding Steve, but waiting with great anticipation, especially after the Chipmunk and the two JP's. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Foster60 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Not as funny but; About ten years ago I was at RAF Leeming on a visit and I was invited to sit in a 100 Squadron Hawk, I struggled a bit, a very polite airman said "They don't make these in your size do they sir?" I looked across the hanger at the Hawk opposite, it had suffered a bird strike. Hang the canopy, the metal nose cone was damaged! I still Love the Hawk but I take my hat off to those who fly them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshiretaurus Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Only problem is though I tend to watch your build rather than doing my own...doh! So its not just me that does that then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) Cripes. No pressure then............ Like I say I've not started properly yet - but I have been playing about with stuff. This is why I ditched any idea of using the Italeri/Revell kit. The the shape of nose is poor - as I think is widely known. I didn't like the feel of the plastic much either: I should say that the plans are by Marke Rolfe - I don't know if they are considered accurate - but anyway the problem was confirmed when I scaled up a convenient photo: All right - not that convenient a photo seeing as red against red doesn't show up that much......but look hard The Airfix profile was much better - and nicer plastic too: Although the windscreen looks a bit too long and elongated - you can see it on the photo and the plans - Italeri got that bit spot on I'm going to vac form the canopy anyway as I don't want to use the Airix moulded in MDC and I'm thinking of posing it open - so I may be able to play with the shape of the windscreen. Wing shape and size looks good; I'm a bit concerned about the panel lines on the Airfix kit. I'm not keen to do another rescribe like on the JP5 - but the Hawk lines are rather deep and wide for my tastes. The big hatch panel either side of the nose is definitely too prominent and makes it look a bit toy like - sommat will have to be done. about that. I'll think on that for a bit - I was really pleased with the result on the JP5 but nearly threw it out the window whilst I was doing it.......... The cockpit tub provided by Airfix is pretty basic - and basically wrong. There's been some interesting chat over on one of CT's thread which I won't repeat - but the most obvious fault is the shape, size and angle of the side panels and the instrument panels are also the wrong shape - too rounded at the top as a result of the wrong shaped coamings moulded by Airfix. The italeri ones are slightly better but I shan't use either: The Airfix instrument panel coamings are really nothing like the shape and size of the full size version: Again the Italeri ones are slightly better - if you ignore the moulded in weapons sight - might be able to modify them for use.... I bought myself the CMK Hawk 100 resin set (good spot Crisp ) mainly for the bang seats but also for the resin cockpit tub and rear seat coaming. The Hawk 100 has a very different cockpit so the resin set is no good as it stands but it may make a starting point: I had reservations about the positioning of the coamings on the Airfix kit so I took some measurements from a photo: And scaled them onto an Airfix kit (actually this is the old tool kit - which is basically the same shape - which I'm using for practice). You can see that the rear coaming is way oversize (and the wrong shape). I've removed the front coaming because it cannot readily be altered to the correct profile..... [/url I think the CMK resin rear coming can probably be cut down to the correct shape and size with a bit of work: The CMK resin tub is also not bad as a starting point but all of the detail is wrong for what I want and so is a god part of the structure : I have the Airwaves and Eduard PE sets (both actually for the Italeri kit) - and I think I'll make use of them for the various instrument panels. Not looking forward to painting them tho: Here I've carved all the detail off of the resin tub, cut down the side panels and removed the solid panel between the cockpits. It's a start. The tentative plan is to cast a copy of it for the second Hawk. How much detail I add to it before I cast it I'm not sure yet. I'll also use the CMk seats. They're a lot better than the kit ones various - but at least Matchbox give me some sort of representation of the old style head box The CMK seats will however need a bit of work: What I've done so far is remove the straps and back pad (which sits far too high) and the new style head box and most of the (dubious) lumps and bumps to take it back to a nice basic shape: And I've modified one of the matchbox old style head boxes to use (I did say in the first post that I would use something from the matchbox kits didn't I ) The head box isn't stuck in place yet and I haven't added any of the various gadgetry to the seat yet. Again I think the plan will be to make one seat and cast copies - but I'm thinking it may be better to cast the seat and the head box separately in case I can't get it out of the RTV mould with the head box on. Also I'm not sure how much detail to add to the seat before I cast it. The straps will probably come from one or both of the etch sets. So here's the tub and seat so far - just so's you can see how I'm thinking: And an impression of the cockpit to come (BTW _ I took this before I'd cut down the rear cockpit side consoles). The front coaming is heavily modified from the Italeri kit. May cast a resin copy of that too : The other thing I've been playing about with at the moment is vac forming a canopy. I won't repeat the photo's that I've posted over on dr_gn's Tornado thread but here's a comparison with a test vac against the kit canopy. Not looking forward to the MDC.... And there we are so far. Mostly just thinking and prepping. Any thought, comments ideas or corrections welcome - as ever. Steve Edited March 17, 2015 by Fritag 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshiretaurus Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Stunning start again Steve. Good thorough research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeg Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 I'm in. I love the hawk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sten Ekedahl Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Steve, have you considered this set? https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/KPE72036 There is also an Eduard set for the Airfix kit. But although they state that it's for a Hawk T.1, it's actually for a Hawk T.2. I think these might be useful too: https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/QB72466. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) Steve, have you considered this set? https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/KPE72036 There is also an Eduard set for the Airfix kit. But although they state that it's for a Hawk T.1, it's actually for a Hawk T.2. I think these might be useful too: https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/QB72466. Thanks Sten, I have that etch set - it's very nicely done and I may be abel to use bits and bobs from it. I would really have liked to use the pre-painted instrument panels if I could - but the instrument panels on the Finnish Hawks are just too different - shame. I also have the quickest intakes. they were so cheap I couldn't resist. I haven't decided whether or not use em yet as I haven't actually got around to looking closely at photos to see what's wrong with the Airfix ones! http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234929350-airfix-hawk-after-a-long-lay-off/?hl=%2Bdougc+%2Bhawk#entry1194468 Like that a lot Doug did you finish it? Good cockpit and flap mods and the tailpipe looks great Edited March 17, 2015 by Fritag 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 That is a great start Off the blocks like a rocket Like you I'm not keen on the Airfix trenches, my early Airfix one is fine raised lines so I think that will keep me happy when I get on it So here I am ready for more, don't let my coffee get cold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Hm.. I'm sure this is going to be builds of epic proportions. But I look with interest when it comes to the undercart area. I'm pretty sure and positive that the new tool kit has much undersized wheel bays and doors. For me a big downer! I always liked the very first tooling despite it lacked a few things like the wing fences and ventral strakes that were never complicated to add ones self. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 But I look with interest when it comes to the undercart area. I'm pretty sure and positive that the new tool kit has much undersized wheel bays and doors. Thanks for the heads up Paul - I'll check that if I can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caszerino Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Had been holding off on doing any Hawks myself. This should give me the info to make the plunge. Can't wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy wood Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 The comparisons between the Italeri kit and Airfix kit have been noted on other sites. A solution has been to graft the Airfix nose onto the Iatelri fuselage. Is it too late for you to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatalbert Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Are you aware of the flightpath hawk update set for the revell hawk.it has a new nose to correct the rather small kit offering.......Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 I think I saw somewhere that Revell are issuing a Hawk and it is to be a new tool rather than the Italeri ki. Can anyone confirm?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshiretaurus Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Hm.. I'm sure this is going to be builds of epic proportions. But I look with interest when it comes to the undercart area. I'm pretty sure and positive that the new tool kit has much undersized wheel bays and doors. For me a big downer! I always liked the very first tooling despite it lacked a few things like the wing fences and ventral strakes that were never complicated to add ones self. Think one should check everything on that Airfix Hawk, for example the smoke pod, (although I appreciate it wont be used in this build, just an example) here's the Airfix offering along with the Freightdog replacement. Ive found the Freightdog is correct from scaled photos. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Wow, there's more effort been put into that up front research than some people put into an entire build. The standard is being set high for the rest of the build - which I shall enjoy immensley 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FZ6 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 After seeing the JP and chipmunk threads I'm really looking forward to seeing how you get on with these. Have you considered the old tool hawk by Airfix. It is missing a few things such as wing fences and has raised panel lines but comes with early style seats and the shape of the rear fuselage above the jet pipe at the base of the tail fin appears to be more accurate for an early hawk than the new tooling.... Regards, Mark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizon Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Hm.. I'm sure this is going to be builds of epic proportions. But I look with interest when it comes to the undercart area. I'm pretty sure and positive that the new tool kit has much undersized wheel bays and doors. For me a big downer! I always liked the very first tooling despite it lacked a few things like the wing fences and ventral strakes that were never complicated to add ones self. The Airfix offering definitely has that problem. The nose gear is also oversize unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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