Ex-FAAWAFU Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 Especially don't listen to the siren distaff voice urging you to JFDI. Join in haste, repent at leisure, as the adage (almost) says - and trebly so if you've glued it. My Mrs is still bemused by the fact that the Airfix Sea King she gave me as a (semi joke?) Xmas present 3 years ago, and which kicked off my whole re-entry to modelling in the first place, has not even been started yet (I haven't the heart to tell her that it's an AEW cab, and that I flew ASW & SAR - those are all just meaningless / trivial letters to her!)... while at the same time an Ark Royal that's barely 2 feet long has taken well over a year and is nowhere near done. They tolerate - even encourage, on a good day - the fact that we do this stuff, and for that we should be grateful. But the concept of adding detail that will never be seen, a Shelf of Doom, not being satisfied with kit parts that aren't quite right, and all that; my wife will never understand those things, and by the sound of it neither will Girl Friday! 3
Procopius Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 neither will Girl Friday! Seething with jealousy at not having used "Girl Friday" first. 1
Fritag Posted April 29, 2015 Author Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) Seething with jealousy at not having used "Girl Friday" first. S'all right PC - Ex-FAAWAFU wasn't first either - not by about 26 years........ (And longer still if you include unofficial pre-getting hitched/official name sharing usage....) Edited April 29, 2015 by Fritag
perdu Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) Girl Friday buggeritanddammit I never thought of that honest guv'ner Have you decided whether to overeg the pudd'n or just rest and be thankful with eight tidy and very acceptable holes Steve? But if you do want uplifted bolts you might try using your hole jig to make bigger rather than smaller How about placing the jig thingy into the hole in the hub and dropping something like liquified Perfect Plastic Putty into each hole with a bit of plastic rod then lifting the jig out of the location leaving the little stubs of putty in place? Clean the holes out each time of course with the little length of rod afterwards It might work and has to be worth having a go Girl Friday Wow Edited April 29, 2015 by perdu 3
Fritag Posted April 30, 2015 Author Posted April 30, 2015 Have you decided whether to overeg the pudd'n or just rest and be thankful with eight tidy and very acceptable holes Steve? This is definitely one of those modelling blind alleys Bill - that is absorbing a wholly disproportionate amount of time and attention. Trouble is it's a bit of a challenge - pointless really given that it's only a bloomin' nose wheel - and frankly the hub is hardly noticeable at that! - but it's been fun..... I had a go gluing some stretched sprue into the drilled holes but I found it impossible to trim them neatly enough to look good. It would definitely work on larger wheels but I couldn't make it work on my little nose wheel. Actually I'm pretty sure the most effective and the neatest look will be simply to leave the hub plain However: I like the idea about using perfect plastic putty - I see where you're coming from Bill - and in a similar vein I had thought maybe I could make a template and spray Mr Surfacer 500 through it to leave little raised stubs. Dunno tho' - the working area is just so small...... I did have another play last night whilst watching telly..... This time I tried punching raised stubs from behind 0.1mm plastic card: Started with a marked guide: Punched a 2mm disc of 0.1mm plastic card, and then popped it into the guide, and then pushed some dents in it: And then reversed the disc and popped it over the wheel hub: Well - it gives 8 little raised circles and it ain't bad - but not really as crisp as I would like. I'm not sure it's any better than leaving the hub plain. 10
perdu Posted April 30, 2015 Posted April 30, 2015 Seems to me that after a dash of primer or finish colour and a wash of 'dirty' that would be the ideal 'job done' job How about drilling the eight holes into a harder plastic like formica so the holes get a more defined edge when you impress them? Then doing the same business with the template to get the accuracy... Just another thought from the research arm of BM
hendie Posted April 30, 2015 Posted April 30, 2015 I think I'd be tempted to call that one a win and move on to the next wholly disproportionately time consuming task 5
keefr22 Posted April 30, 2015 Posted April 30, 2015 I think I'd be tempted to call that one a win and move on to the next wholly disproportionately time consuming task I second that! And Bill's thought about how they'll look after paint/weathering...
Hamden Posted April 30, 2015 Posted April 30, 2015 That nose wheel hub centre looks alright to me and at that size with paint etc. on who would know the difference Roger
Fritag Posted April 30, 2015 Author Posted April 30, 2015 I'm fed up with it anyway - as I'm sure all of you are It's been more of a displacement activity than proper modelling Garth - thanks for the pointer towards the Studio 27 nuts/rivets - they are lovely - I couldn't hope to match the crispness and neatness of those. The smallest I could see were 0.4mm - very useful (may will invest in some)- but even then too big for my little nose wheel. 1
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted April 30, 2015 Posted April 30, 2015 Job done! Outstanding. I think you should leave the tyre red, though; it has a sort of American Graffiti, 50s Chevvy with white wall tyres / tires vibe. Jan & Dean on the dansette. I'm losing it, aren't I? 3
Fritag Posted April 30, 2015 Author Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) I'm losing it, aren't I? Losing it? Lost it. Some might say an irremediable, irredeemable, irrevocable process that began the moment you took to the dark blue But not me of course. I'm a non-adversarial type myself. Edited April 30, 2015 by Fritag 3
Tomoshenko Posted April 30, 2015 Posted April 30, 2015 This is definitely one of those modelling blind alleys Bill - that is absorbing a wholly disproportionate amount of time and attention. Trouble is it's a bit of a challenge - pointless really given that it's only a bloomin' nose wheel - and frankly the hub is hardly noticeable at that! - but it's been fun..... It does have a certain Faustian appeal to it - exchange one's soul / sanity for the perfect 1/72 scale detail. The challenge, the fun...we can't help it... I echo the other posters in that the wheel is bloomin' terrific as is. I think your eyes deserve a rest, and your thirst a glass of wine..or two... Pleasing and informative as ever. 2
andy wood Posted April 30, 2015 Posted April 30, 2015 You could consider using a PE propeller boss/hub, ala WW1 style. I have got a set from PART and they have a variety of sizes, etc. In fact I have used them for a variety of things, and not their intended purpose
Ascoteer Posted April 30, 2015 Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) Losing it? Lost it. Some might say an irremediable, irredeemable, irrevocable process that began the moment you took to the dark blue But not me of course. I'm a non-adversarial type myself. Ah well see, would you really want to get airborne in an aircraft whose sole lifting surface(s) is(are) held on by something called a 'Jesus Bolt'? Wobblychopters fly for one reason and one reason only: Suspension of Disbelief. I know, I held on SARTU. As for WAFUs they are just bloody odd! (but not as odd as fish-heads) Edited May 1, 2015 by Ascoteer 1
Giorgio N Posted May 1, 2015 Posted May 1, 2015 Love the way the rivets are showing, even if the definition may not seem perfect. The same technique seems to give better result if used on metal foil, maybe this is an alternative ?
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted May 1, 2015 Posted May 1, 2015 As for WAFUs they are just bloody odd! (but not as odd as fish-heads) No disagreement with either part of that! Oddity is good... It's still better to stop and then land than to land and then stop. And jets are for kids. I know; I held over on 899 1
Fritag Posted May 6, 2015 Author Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) Love the way the rivets are showing, even if the definition may not seem perfect. The same technique seems to give better result if used on metal foil, maybe this is an alternative ? You're a genius G N. It made such perfect sense that I even tho' I haven't had any real time to give to man's favourite hobby recently - I thought I'd give that a go: The next time the gods see fit to grant me time to model - it ain't gonna be wasted on that stupid wheel A long way around to a really simple technique - but ain't that part of the fun? Edited May 6, 2015 by Fritag 15
perdu Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 well done you two perzackkkerly the way to do it (both sides I hopes Steve)
Leonl Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 "The next time the gods see fit to grant me time to model - it ain't gonna be wasted on that stupid wheel" That said, it does look very good, well done.
general melchett Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 Looks good to me Steve....being a detail nut myself I know how it feels to just have to get it 101% right and waste half your life trying to achieve same and as such I've learnt to take the line of least resistance. I realise that the stable door is now firmly locked and that the horse has not only bolted but is currently down at the Nags Head imbibing in his favourite tipple but I used Archer rivets on the Buccaneer and Viggen, so simple to use, applied in minutes, highly effective plus they come in many flavours......maybe it's simply the challenge we relish.
dr_gn Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 I'd try printing the o/d of the wheel hub and the nut centrepoints on some clear decal paper, applying it to the hub and lightly drill through the dots to give a perfectly spaced array of witness marks. Then apply separate rivets (if not Studio 27 p/e) then maybe some other source, or even stubs of plastic rod that you can then sand down to a consistent height.
Fritag Posted May 7, 2015 Author Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) I used Archer rivets on the Buccaneer and Viggen, so simple to use, applied in minutes, highly effective plus they come in many flavours......maybe it's simply the challenge we relish. I'd try printing the o/d of the wheel hub and the nut centrepoints on some clear decal paper, applying it to the hub and lightly drill through the dots to give a perfectly spaced array of witness marks. Then apply separate rivets (if not Studio 27 p/e) then maybe some other source, or even stubs of plastic rod that you can then sand down to a consistent height. The difficulty is the size of the darned things. The o/s diameter of the hub is only 2mm and the just are not at the very outside so the working diameter is somewhat less - and there are 8 nuts to fit in. I tried various ways of getting the spacing correct and the most practicable was the little jig at #245. Here's the back of it: Two pieces of plastic card glued together. The bottom bit has a 2mm diameter hole and the top has slightly smaller diameter. I then popped a 2mm diameter punched disc of wine bottle foil into the jig from the bottom. The top of the jig was accurately scrubbed into 8 divisions and that gave me a guide to punch 8 nuts as equally spaced as I could and the the slightly smaller diameter hole in the top of the jig took care of ensuring the nuts were evenly spaced just inside the outer edge. I tried drilling holes and inserting plastic rod and sanding it down - but the rod had to be less only about 0.2mm in diameter and I just couldn't do it neatly enough. I think that rivet decals would be a great solution - but only if they came in the correct diameter circle on the deck sheet. The problem again with this hub was its small size, I don't think I could manage to apply individual rivets either at all - or any more neatly. Am thinking of using some of those on the ar*e end of the Hawks tho' where there are the raised rivets around the empennage. Dunno about the challenge Andy I have a horrible feeling that this whole pretty pointless episode was a kind of displacement activity for me cos I didn't feel I had enough time available to do anything substantial on the kits............ Edited May 7, 2015 by Fritag 4
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