thepureness Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Hi guys. I'm going to start a venture into WWII german aircraft. I have plenty of kits, but yet to build one. I'm been looking at some builds and I'm rather confused with RLM 76 light blue. All the aircraft i'm seeing build, BF 109, HE 219 etc, the RLM 76 looks Grey. I started spraying a airfix 109 for a test build, as it just looks odd. How do you guys get your finishes, what brands do you use etc, I'm an acrylic user only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Humbrol acrylic 247 on an Airfix FW190A: John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Hi guys. I'm going to start a venture into WWII german aircraft. I have plenty of kits, but yet to build one. I'm been looking at some builds and I'm rather confused with RLM 76 light blue. All the aircraft i'm seeing build, BF 109, HE 219 etc, the RLM 76 looks Grey. I started spraying a airfix 109 for a test build, as it just looks odd. How do you guys get your finishes, what brands do you use etc, I'm an acrylic user only. How hideously insane do you wish to go? RLM 76 should be a very light blue grey....but late war it varies, possibly, in colour, leadng to colours not unlike RAF sky or ir's possibly another colours without an RLM number used instead or .... you can go insane with this stuff... eg one postulation - http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/latewarrlm76mu_1.htm For what is supposed to be i'd use either Xtracylix RLM76 or Tamiya XF-23 light blue, but think both would be better with some white added.. the Humbrol posted above looks good too BTW. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbudde Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) After some intense discussions over RLM colours so far, I would just use a colour that suits you most. Humbrol 247 or 248 looks good here. As above, I could post dozens of internet links for colour reference and conversion charts of RLM or others. But that leads to nowhere, except for a big general discussion about colour shades, which will drive you insane at least. Check your reference, beware of the light influences and go ahead with your favourite colour. Begin with a darker tone, as it will be easier to lighten it up, than vice versa.Cheers Edit: The only one thing about RLM 76 is mabye, that there were three different types or subtypes ( but this is also dicussed) So look at that links I posted there at the end: http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234975983-rlm65-and-rlm78-are-they-the-same-colour/ Edited February 27, 2015 by bbudde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan B Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 I like the Mr Hobby paints for most of the RLM colours, similar to Tamiya acrylics but the paint seems finer, less grainy. I use their RLM 76 straight out of the pot for mid war and lighten it by 30% with white for late war. Duncan B 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbudde Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I like the Mr Hobby paints for most of the RLM colours, similar to Tamiya acrylics but the paint seems finer, less grainy. I use their RLM 76 straight out of the pot for mid war and lighten it by 30% with white for late war. Duncan B Easy and can fix it, if it suits you, when you look at your model (with sunshine, clouds, rain or internal lightning). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tank152 Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) Out of the bottle, as Duncan has already said, Mr hobby (Gunze) are hard to beat. All of their colours match up well with commercially available colour chips, and I've got all the ones worth having. I use normally 3 of their colours when RLM76 is called for, H417, RLM76 H314, Israeli blue, ( which is a great colour to use for the lighter RLM76 seen towards the end of the war) H11, White. (to mix in with the other colours for extra fading) I'll use all of the above colours and mixes of them on one build to achieve a nice variation of the colour. I may also throw some H418 RLM78 into the mix as well. If you are going to be building late war fighters such as the Bf109, normally the K4, and the Fw190D then you will need the Sky type RLM76 againg Gunze do this colour which is H74. Personally I find these long winded discussions on exact paint shades a bit pointless as there are loads of things that can and do alter colour on the actual thing. I do accept that people enjoy such discussions though, and not everyone is lucky enough to have colour chips to hand. I can't vouch for any other makes of paint being good matches for RLM colours as I see no need to look further than using Gunze, if it aint broke, don't fix it! Tim. Edited February 28, 2015 by tank152 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytareh Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Hear hear ! All a bit pointless when you should be adding white for scale effect anyway . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Out of the bottle, as Duncan has already said, Mr hobby (Gunze) are hard to beat. All of their colours match up well with commercially available colour chips, and I've got all the ones worth having. I use normally 3 of their colours when RLM76 is called for, H417, RLM76 H314, Israeli blue, ( which is a great colour to use for the lighter RLM76 seen towards the end of the war) H11, White. (to mix in with the other colours for extra fading) I'll use all of the above colours and mixes of them on one build to achieve a nice variation of the colour. I may also throw some H418 RLM78 into the mix as well. If you are going to be building late war fighters such as the Bf109, normally the K4, and the Fw190D then you will need the Sky type RLM76 againg Gunze do this colour which is H74. Personally I find these long winded discussions on exact paint shades a bit pointless as there are loads of things that can and do alter colour on the actual thing. I do accept that people enjoy such discussions though, and not everyone is lucky enough to have colour chips to hand. I can't vouch for any other makes of paint being good matches for RLM colours as I see no need to look further than using Gunze, if it aint broke, don't fix it! Tim. I agree the long winded arguments without evidence are pointless, but knowing what the paint should have been, and factors that affect what actually happened is the basis for an accurate scale model. Hear hear ! All a bit pointless when you should be adding white for scale effect anyway . Scale effect is altering the tone, not the hue of the colour. You still need the right colour(s) to start with. I still have distinct memories of mixing up 'accurate' luftwaffe colours from Mixes in Scale Models 35 years ago.... so having better matches off the shelf is a boon! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don McIntyre Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Having never seen an true wartime example of RLM76 (and not likely to) I've settled on Xtracolour and Modelmaster for my German aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reserve_22 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) Hi there are new autentic colors mixed by Eagle Luftwaffe color chart.This colors have same properties as Gunze C.Here is link http://mrpaint.sk/eshop/farby/lietadla/Luftwaffe Here is my projekt using Mr.Paint Rlm colors http://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=85636 Sorry for my English Have a nice day. Edited March 1, 2015 by Reserve_22 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tank152 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Hi there are new autentic colors mixed by Eagle Luftwaffe color chart.This colors have same properties as Gunze C.Here is link http://mrpaint.sk/eshop/farby/lietadla/Luftwaffe Here is my projekt using Mr.Paint Rlm colors http://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=85636 Sorry for my English Have a nice day. I've already read that this paint is good stuff. The person that has used it likened it to Alclad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reserve_22 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) Yes the colors are Laquier type same as Gunze C or Alclad.Mr.Paint are mixed by Eagle color chart http://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=740&t=79786 The color chart by Michael Ullmann is little bit diferent as Eagle.The Rlm 76 by Ullmann is better Gunze H or Tamiya mix XF2:7 + XF23:1 + XF66:2.The Rlm76 variation using on late Bf 109 and Fw190D are different.Like RAF sky color.Here is photo Fuselage is Rlm76 variation and the rudder is clssic Rlm 76 http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/-23-winter-war-eastern-front-wwii/1-48-fw190-9-blue-12-winter-war-eastern-front-wwii-41613-2.html Edited March 1, 2015 by Reserve_22 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tank152 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) When you say the paint has been matched to the Eagle colour chart do you mean the Eagle-Editions one? I have those colour chips, Gunze match up well to them. Just noticed you edited your post to include a link whilst I was typing mine, so you have answered my question. Edited March 1, 2015 by tank152 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reserve_22 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) Yes a mean Eagle Editon color chart.Look at Rlm 70 or RLM 71 there are not good from Gunze...I have Eagle Edition and Ullmann Luftwaffe color chart and there are little bit different.Eagle havent Rlm65/76/81 variation like Ullmann. Edited March 1, 2015 by Reserve_22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2wheels Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 (edited) oops wrong message in post Edited March 7, 2015 by 2wheels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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