jasman71 Posted February 20, 2015 Author Share Posted February 20, 2015 No p-word please, gents, I didn't start the thread to go down that route Meanwhile, can anyone remember in the 80's a norwegian Orion colliding with a soviet Flanker? I can't remember if that was over neutral waters or territorial? I think it was one if the first sightings of the Su-27 too, getting up a little too close and personal with the bigger plane. I seem to remember both sides blaming the other for it. What we don't hear of (but I suspect we would) is british Sentries doing to Russia what their Bears do to us. I would imagine the Russians would take great pleasure in filming their Flankers, bristling with missiles, flying off the wingtips of our surveillance platforms. And yes, I dare say the oceans are full of subs all sitting off various coastlines around the globe, and have been for decades. The U.S. say that satellites took over the job of their SR-71 and U-2, and if that's the case, then that also worked both ways. Back to Area 51 again - I'm pretty sure the first published aerial views of it were from russian / soviet satellites. It always seems to me to be a case of all sides know each other does it, and they also know that THEY know, so I doubt it will cease anytime soon. I have fond memories of those classic pics of Bear crews waving at the Lightnings and Phantoms, and I'm pretty sure that our boys liked the scrambles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeli Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Witness claims the bear was over land. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/19/russian-bomber-flew-inland-cornwall-uk-airspace-witness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasman71 Posted February 20, 2015 Author Share Posted February 20, 2015 One broadcaster who was showing the footage of Typhoons from a Bear yesterday also stated it was NOT from that most recent intercept, but from the latter end of January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 There was a Russina chap (a Boris Yeltsin lookey likey ) on the news this morning saying that NAtO are doing the same. No surprise really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevej60 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 The BBC have completed the transition into Fox news today with a" how to spot a Russian bomber overhead" feature on their news website,any chance the mods could lock their bl***y topics!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVi Tophatter Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) Well, 'our' media coverage is certainly doing it's job of impartial, informative reporting... Again, pure hysteria. I'm much more worried about my local Library being bulldozed for more rental apartments. (not a political statement) . Anyway, just for a bit of nostalgic balance (and any reason to post F-14 pics): 1979. VF-51 escorting a Tu-95 (the type about to unleash Armageddon on our shores) . The daily rags could easily confuse the radomes for 'nukes'... . 1978. VF-51 escorting an An-12 Cub (of all things), this time from the Russians perspective... Very nice, rare photo and I'm sure it was an interesting day for all involved. Credit due to the original photographers. (edit: included photo dates) Edited February 20, 2015 by LeVi Tophatter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garryrussell Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) We see them now and then in Valmiera, but no one hear seems bothered enough to even comment. Better things to do. Edited February 20, 2015 by garryrussell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sticky847 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 does anyone know what it says at the base of the bears fin, looks like a message to the BBC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garryrussell Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 That is Cyrillic BBC and is actually VVS in our alphabet Too much is being read into all of this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) Meanwhile, can anyone remember in the 80's a norwegian Orion colliding with a soviet Flanker? I can't remember if that was over neutral waters or territorial? I think it was one if the first sightings of the Su-27 too, getting up a little too close and personal with the bigger plane. I seem to remember both sides blaming the other for it. What we don't hear of (but I suspect we would) is british Sentries doing to Russia what their Bears do to us. I would imagine the Russians would take great pleasure in filming their Flankers, bristling with missiles, flying off the wingtips of our surveillance platforms. The tip of one of the Su-27's fins collided with a propeller, with fragments puncturing the P-3's fuselage, after the Flanker pulled in too close. It has been suggested that the NATO codename 'Flanker' derives from a mishearing of what the Norwegian pilot called the Russian pilot... More here: http://su-27flanker.com/2015/01/13/su27vsp3borion1987/# There was some footage on YouTube recently taken from a Portuguese P-3 over the Baltic of a Flanker shooting up alongside and pulling in close before banking to show off its weaponry and then diving away. The footage has been removed unfortunately, but it seems that the Russian pilot did not use any of the international rules and procedures for the interception of another aircraft. Edited February 20, 2015 by T7 Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garryrussell Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 It has been suggested that the NATO codename 'Flanker' derives from a mishearing of what the Norwegian pilot called the Russian pilot... He would have said something in Norwegian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLC1966 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 He would have said something in Norwegian Surely not, English being the standard language used in the Air environment.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pin Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) Rule of thumb - if you want to know something about Su-27 - ask Ken http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/modl_su-27%20early.html Lt Tsymbal's Su-27 after the incident with the P-3 Orion - damaged fin Edited February 20, 2015 by Pin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sticky847 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 i was not reading too much into it i was curious, however this has gone on since they had the capability to have a shufti at us and we commonly shadow their military if we can, back in the 80's our ship shadowed a KRIVAK class up the channel thru the north sea and out to the top of norway, its not as if you couldnt even HEAR it coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I love the way the Daily Mail describes the Bears as "streaking along the Channel". I didn't think a Tu-95 was fast enough to streak anywhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pin Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Tu-95 cruise speed is about 700 km/h Not too slow either 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Batt Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Witness claims the bear was over land. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/19/russian-bomber-flew-inland-cornwall-uk-airspace-witness Yeah, right. I'll wait for some rational input. From what I recall of my driving lessons I could have been overflown by a couple of Vulcans and not noticed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandaire Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 If these rascals are "sneaking through the channel" and maintaining the 12 mile limit from our shores as suggested, does that mean they have invaded French airspace by 4 miles? After all the Channel is only 20 miles wide at its narrowest point isn't it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 IIRC, the Bear is the fastest propeller-driven aircraft - Tu-95MS max speed is listed as 830Km/h (Wiki gives 920Km/h). Not a great deal slower than a B-52 - listed by Wiki as 1,047Km/h P-3 Orion is 750 Km/h and the Bearcat (often listed as the fastest piston-engined aircraft) is a mere 678 Km/h Ken PS - It has the same dia fuselage as the B-29 Superfortress - being a direct lineal descendent In a Michael Caine accent ............Not a lot of people know that 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Seriously Ken? I really did not know that Tell us more... if you can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 IIRC, the Bear is the fastest propeller-driven aircraft - Tu-95MS max speed is listed as 830Km/h (Wiki gives 920Km/h). Not a great deal slower than a B-52 - listed by Wiki as 1,047Km/h P-3 Orion is 750 Km/h and the Bearcat (often listed as the fastest piston-engined aircraft) is a mere 678 Km/h Ken PS - It has the same dia fuselage as the B-29 Superfortress - being a direct lineal descendent In a Michael Caine accent ............Not a lot of people know that The Bearcat was not the fastest piston engined aircrafts as others contemporaries were even faster. Even the latest Spitfire variants could do better than 700 Km/h. The fastest piston engined fighter was probably the DH Hornet, that could achieve speeds in excess of 750 Km/h. The Sea Fury was not much slower, IIRC it could reach 740 Km/h But it's true that none of these aircrafts would have been capable of intercepting a Bear. Regardless of the political implications of the presence of these aircrafts in the proximity of other countries shores, there's no doubt that the Bear is a remarkable type and an engineering success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I'm not sure if you are taking the mickey or not, Mike...... but here goes.... The B-29's that landed in the Soviet Far East after bombing Japan were interned and reverse-engineered into the Tupolev Tu-4 'Bull' Tupolev developed a couple of piston-engined derivatives - the Tu-80 and Tu-85 - which led, ultimately to the swept-wing Tu-95 with the same fuselage diameter. Another fact - both the Tu-95 and Aero Spacelines 'Super Guppy' have a common DNA - both are derived from the B-29. Again ..... "Not a lot of people know that" Ken 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 No urine being extracted Ken - so it's basically a dimension held over from the earlier reverse engineered airframes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I'm not sure if you are taking the mickey or not, Mike...... but here goes.... The B-29's that landed in the Soviet Far East after bombing Japan were interned and reverse-engineered into the Tupolev Tu-4 'Bull' Tupolev developed a couple of piston-engined derivatives - the Tu-80 and Tu-85 - which led, ultimately to the swept-wing Tu-95 with the same fuselage diameter. Another fact - both the Tu-95 and Aero Spacelines 'Super Guppy' have a common DNA - both are derived from the B-29. Again ..... "Not a lot of people know that" Ken I knew all of that! And the Guppy info well it derived from the Boeing 377/KC-97 Stratotanker airframe(or C-97 transport) which in it self derived from the B-50 and before that the B-29!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasman71 Posted February 20, 2015 Author Share Posted February 20, 2015 In a Michael Caine accent ............Not a lot of people know that Surely that's a Sellers voice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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