Troy Smith Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 captioned as Hawker Hurricane MkI RAF 601 Sqn UF-S P3675 Is this real? red lightning flash (same tone as roundel centre) with flash behind spinner ? spinner blue/white with small red tip? Edit - also suppoded to be the 602 sq winged serpet badge in middle of white strip in fin flash. Or has somebody been playing with photoshop? If it's real this is about the wildest BoB paint scheme I've ever seen..... Can anyone add some background information on this plane? I can see this becoming a modelling cliche if verified ...how long before that new Airfix Hurricane.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha Delta 210 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 There's a large colour profile of that machine (with flash) on page 29 of the current issue of Airfix Model World. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted February 16, 2015 Author Share Posted February 16, 2015 OK, I don't buy AFM, or even see it. I'll look out for a copy. If that's the case I'm amazed it's not being offered as a option in the new Airfix kit. Is there any info in the on the photo or the scheme? Pilot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foghorn Leghorn Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 That's the Hurricane scheme I've been wanting to do for a long time. Now it's appeared in AMW mag someone will hopefully do the decals 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Rogers Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Black vertical tail surfaces too? Overpainted nightfighter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 The rudder is displaced, casting a shadow on the tailplane. The rudder itself is the shadow, thus appearing black, and the red of the fin flash on ortho film. At least one 607 Sq aircraft had their winged lion on the white of the fin flash during the BoB, and Gleed's 87 Sq aircraft had an extension behind the spinner, but this is the most flamboyantly marked BoB fighter I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85sqn Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I saw that in amw but hadnt seen the actual photo till now, very cool scheme! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatFlyHalf Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I think something very odd is going on here. Is this picture for real? Note the lower engine cowling line does not seem to line up with the base of the spinner. And there is an odd shadow cast by the wing on the lower leading edge of the port undercarriage door. Is this from a contemporary negative without some one having made a few clever 21st century additions? Convince me it's genuine please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 The rudder is displaced, casting a shadow on the tailplane. The rudder itself is the shadow, thus appearing black, and the red of the fin flash on ortho film. At least one 607 Sq aircraft had their winged lion on the white of the fin flash during the BoB, and Gleed's 87 Sq aircraft had an extension behind the spinner, but this is the most flamboyantly marked BoB fighter I've seen. In which case, why is the lower fuselage strake/fillet not in so much shadow when one looks at the base of the rudder?? The trim tab looks a tad lighter but it may be because it is adjusted to a different line to the rudder, Under the tailplane again at the base of the fuselage there is a triangular shape that seems to be the light on that area which still makes the rudder look a very different colour. I reckon a bit more study to determine the rudder colour is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 The lower edge of the nose is painted in the underside colour., and does indeed line up with the spinner. The port wheel door looks like it may have something lying on the ground in front of it, perhaps causing what looks like the odd shadow. Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbob Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) The gear door shows the familiar effects of oil leakage. While I think it is reasonable to ask oneself, "Does this look legit?" I think we're far too ready to blame anything we don't instantly understand as a fake. bob p.s. Nice photo! Edited February 16, 2015 by gingerbob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 It's a Rotol spinner - it has a larger diameter than the nose. The cowling line doesn't line up because it didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted February 16, 2015 Author Share Posted February 16, 2015 The sun angle on this is unusual, high, behind, and slightly to starboard with a deflected rudder, the little 'triangle' by the tail wheel is where the tail fin does not cast shadow see, which also shows the origin of the oil stain visible on the UC doors, leaks out of back of engine compartment, blown by airflow, the very distinctive stain is just starting in this shot. One you know what it is, you see it in many photos. The Spitfire type Rotol prop/spinner is too large for the Hurricane nose ring. This is one fitted with an oil spill ring, but the larger diameter should be clear. I have just noticed, behind the red of the fin flash, the spinner of the plane behind is also a light shade, with dark tip? , possibly the same as P3675. The reason I asked about authenticity, and origin, I was hoping someone here would know of the origin of this, I presume this a private photo recently made public. The background is that private photography on RAF stations was illegal during the BoB, which is why photos are quite rare, most of the famous shots are from press days, eg 85 Squadron at Castle Camps, 32 Squadron at Biggin Hill, 501 Squadron taking off. Date, maybe earlier than August, as I can't see any evidence of underwing roundels, this, from Ducimus Monograph is relevant, for notes of fin Flash and spinners, I'd say July 1940 is the best bet. Again, note the oversize Spitfire type Rotol spinner overhang. IIRC there were orders at some point to paint spinners black, but coloured examples are seen on 85 Sq planes, in France may 1940 and Castle Camps July 1940, Ian Gleed's LK-A, 56 Squadron, and 17 Squadron, whose seem to have been sky. I'm waiting for TonyoT or Andy L as they are chaps who might well know this photo's origin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhaselden Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 The small winged badge on the fin flash has been confirmed on other airframes so I have no problem with that one. The fuselage fin flash is very cool - it appears to broaden into a curved 'V' shape as it nears the spinner. The fact that the fin flash occupies the entire fin would put this aircraft as preceding the official regulation for the size of fin flashes (can't, offhand, remember when that was). This has to be one of the most unusual BoB-era schemes! Fantastic pic!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevej60 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Aircraft mentioned here. http://www.cieldegloire.com/002_raf_robinson_m_l.php 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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