iainpeden Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 The BP Defiant ASR mk. 1 on Hannants decal sheet - V1121/BA.O - come with alternate sky and red squadron codes. Does anybody have reasonably firm information as to which was more likely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanguin Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Iain, this link may be helpful: http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234942579-asr-spitfires-revisited/?hl=walrus#entry1348669 Edgar produced an entry in that thread that means red is the colour for 277 Squadron, as I and others had suspected. My Defiant will have red codes! Later on they went to yellow, as Edgar tells us. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainpeden Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 Very interesting so thank you. I came across another document on 'tnet which indicated red codes for any a/c which is not a fighter. Mine will be wearing red codes as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyot Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 The only photo that I have seen of a BA coded Defiant is on page 9 of the Warpaint book and the codes don`t look red to me! The red of the roundel and fin flash is very dark, almost black on the b&w photo and the codes are light,..almost white in comparison and different (lighter) to the yellow outer ring of the roundel,...., pointing at Sky or white to me. This aircraft is N3398/ BA-A. Cheers Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewerjerry Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Hi I vote red for early yellow later, as per the linked thread refered to by sanguin. cheers jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Chucking my customary spanner in the works, Defiants only lasted a (very) few months in ASR, since it was virtually impossible for the gunner to keep a lookout for enemy aircraft and find a downed airman in the sea, and the pilot's view was less than ideal. When they were first proposed, the order was that they should have the usual markings, but without the Sky fuselage band and yellow leading edges to the wings; that seems to indicate retaining Sky codes. These files can be a flaming nuisance, at times, and I only looked in this one today, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainpeden Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share Posted January 31, 2015 (edited) I'll do 2! Thanks for all the help. Anyway, I have just realised I have no dark slate grey in the paint trays so the first Defiant is going to be brown/green with black undersides. Edited January 31, 2015 by iainpeden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejboyd5 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Did the ASR Defiant ever carry the 12" wide black stripe under the fuselage as was applied to the ASR Spitfire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 The order for the black stripe was made on 16-2-43; Fighter Command signalled they were giving up on using the Defiant 9-11-42, so it doesn't look likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewerjerry Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) Hi I seem to recall 276sqn used defiants for about a year, from about may 42 until about june 43, mainly from harrowbeer They had one crash on ops in the early part of '43 in dorset. maybe the longer use of defiants by this unit was because its area of operations was the south west of the UK ? So these might have carried the stripe ? cheers jerry Edited February 1, 2015 by brewerjerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossm Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 There is a photo of T3997 with 276 (ASR) squadron in the Ducimus Camouflage and Markings booklet on the Defiant. It is captioned as 1942 and TSS with Red codes (just AQ, no individual letter) and no Sky band. There could be a black stripe underneath but I think it is much more likely to be just shadow. The red codes are not entirely convincing either, looking paler than the centre of the roundel but then so does the red of the fin flash. Ross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 The order for the black stripe also included codes being painted in red so logic (???) dictates that red codes should equal black stripe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewerjerry Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) Hi Found these https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/D48046 cheers jerry Edited December 30, 2015 by brewerjerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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