exdraken Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 yea something like this 2983 ?? was on my mind interestingly they still wore this scheme in the 73 war... already with the Eagle of Saladin not sure if it turned out too green, or too dark... remove the masking and call i done or not? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cooper Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) It's perfect. Really good eye - and work there, nothing else. (And don't worry about the colour appearing 'too dark': my artwork is showing that aircraft in 'well-weathered' condition.) EDIT: and once again, special thanks for taking your photos outside...that helps so much - although I've got no trace of clue where have you found any sun today in this part of Austria... Edited April 4, 2015 by Tom Cooper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 EDIT: and once again, special thanks for taking your photos outside...that helps so much - although I've got no trace of clue where have you found any sun today in this part of Austria... lets see how it turns out , when the masks are off.. the thing of the sun is a magic little trick....(took the photo already yesterday... the first three in morning light, the last one as maybe can be assumed for the red touch just before sunset... ) no sun today, no progress today.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted April 5, 2015 Author Share Posted April 5, 2015 so today, nice weather, some clouds, lots of wind some work to be done on the camouflage, as my masking obviously was not perfect everywhere! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cooper Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 You can leave some of spots where they are: these aircraft were camouflaged in a rush, and without application of varnish beneath camo colours. There were lots of 'unclean' spots (or at least very 'soft' borders), colour peeling, and then plenty of wear (not to talk about merciless sand and sun of Egypt). BTW - and like expected - colour is simply excellent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caszerino Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Blimey, lovely! Nasser himself would be proud of those paint jobs! I love the cloudy background, I feel like I'm in the sky with the lads! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 so,.. the PF was nearly forgotten.. received its first aluminum coat yesterday: I used Humbrol Metal Cote, really fond of this range, but hard to get here in Austria! some work still to do! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vesthepes Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) Awesome looking MiGs. I'm following this with great interest. I like where you're going with the markings, couldn't have chosen better.. I must bookmark this for real, with all the work you did and Tom's info, it's really useful... Edited April 7, 2015 by vesthepes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cooper Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I used Humbrol Metal Cote, really fond of this range, but hard to get here in Austria! some work still to do! Very nice. This one is going to need some additional paint, 'though'. For example: - Air brakes were coloured in something like 'silver-blue', i.e. they were made of steel and thus their appearance was slightly darker, and bluish, in comparison to the rest of the aircraft. - Various covers, or 'access panels' were also slightly darker than surrounding. I think that the colour of flaps and intakes was slightly different too... but I'm not sure, so have to check. I'll drop you another e-mail with few reference photos this afternoon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 Very nice. This one is going to need some additional paint, 'though'. For example: - Air brakes were coloured in something like 'silver-blue', i.e. they were made of steel and thus their appearance was slightly darker, and bluish, in comparison to the rest of the aircraft. - Various covers, or 'access panels' were also slightly darker than surrounding. I think that the colour of flaps and intakes was slightly different too... but I'm not sure, so have to check. I'll drop you another e-mail with few reference photos this afternoon. yeah, that's why it was called "first aluminum coat " I just painted e.g. airbrakes darker, but please let the paint dry first before I take photos! one interesting area is the forward lower part where the guns are situated! this part also looks darker on nearly all photos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cooper Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Yup, there was another plate made of steel there: the 'gun blast pannel'. Originally 'bluish' like air brakes, it rapidly turned all sorts of grey and black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 thanks! several access panels, control surfaces and airbrakes with different shades: the airbrakes seem to be still too light! another coat! weathering still missing as well for the time being! the radom parts will be in some kind of blue-grey-green... the flap interiors will be painted in dirt and grey, same as the wheel wells Tom also alerted me on wing walk ways painted in grey between fuselage and first wing fence! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cooper Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 ...'subtle'... excellent work, Draken. Re. walkways: keep in mind they were covering the wing-fuselage joint too. Width was something like 'slightly wider than half the way to the first wing fence'. On quite a few aircraft (but by far not always), their front end was along this oblique/slant wing pannel (connecting wing root with leading edge), so that there was kind of 'silver triangle' in front of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted April 9, 2015 Author Share Posted April 9, 2015 so, some more paintwork done: hope its not exaggerated now! hmm the MiG-17F might have the nicer lines, but actually this one also starts to grow on me! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cooper Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 It's perfect, really. Not a touch more, please! That is: except you want to weather her as by June 1967? If not, I would really recommend adding that white background for the unit insignia: that's gonna make her 'flashy' too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 not much of an update, but nonetheless: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somnas Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 A nice pair right there! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vesthepes Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Excellent looking MiGs. Both of them. Specially great job on NMF, absolutely my favorite... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted April 17, 2015 Author Share Posted April 17, 2015 slowly approaching other details... got another set of wheels last week, so here a comparison if someone is interested and wants to make up his mind on which ones to buy! apart from the ciro models wheels all wheel hubs are painted already! the Smer wheels seem to represent a different rim... the rest looks to be the same! Hobbyboss has strange? radial grooves, Aires has the nicest brake detail... imo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_L Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Great progress exdraken! envious of your smooth paint jobs. Keep it coming Matt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted April 19, 2015 Author Share Posted April 19, 2015 (edited) Great progress exdraken! envious of your smooth paint jobs. Keep it coming Matt thanks for the flowers, but there are definitely better paint-jobs out there! here some bombs (250 kg and 50 kg (the very small ones)) from left to right: Advanced modelling resin FAB-250, Trumpeter FAB-250 (different type obviously) Eduard FAB-50 and again Fab 250 (too modern for 1973 / and or Czech type?) and progress on the ejection seats Neomega and Aires (modified a bit by now...) most probably I will use either AM or Trumpeter ones color is as on many russian ordnance some blueish gray... if Egyptian ones would more likely be olive green, hard to tell Edited April 19, 2015 by exdraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cooper Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 here some bombs (250 kg and 50 kg (the very small ones)) from left to right: Advanced modelling resin FAB-250, Trumpeter FAB-250 (different type obviously) Eduard FAB-50 and again Fab 250 (too modern for 1973 / and or Czech type?) They're resembling different types, indeed: - Advanced modelling: FAB-250M-54 (high-pressure bomb casings, made for supersonic aircraft) - Trumpeter: FAB-250M-46 (low-pressure bomb casings, made for subsonic aircraft) - Eduard: FAB-50 (from M-54 series) - Eduard: 'modern' FAB-250.... you mean something like FAB-250M-62? Sorry, not really. Front part looks like taken from napalm tanks of the ZAB-series. Rear part is uncrecognizable. But, FAB-250M-62s were still very rare as of 1973, and if at all, 'reserved' for Su-7s (it's possible that some were deployed by Egyptian Su-17s and/or Syrian Su-20s too, but I haven't found any participant recalling this). The only of these used on EAF MiG-17 were FAB-250M-46 and FAB-50s. Colour was either that 'rather dirty', 'light blue-green', for Soviet-manufactured modells; or dark green - for examples manufactured in Egypt (under designations like Kaakaa-50 and Kaakaa-250; BTW, Egyptians developed a variant of the Kaakaa-250 with retarding fins similar to those of the Mk.12 Snakeye system). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted April 26, 2015 Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 They're resembling different types, indeed: - Advanced modelling: FAB-250M-54 (high-pressure bomb casings, made for supersonic aircraft) - Trumpeter: FAB-250M-46 (low-pressure bomb casings, made for subsonic aircraft) - Eduard: FAB-50 (from M-54 series) - Eduard: 'modern' FAB-250.... you mean something like FAB-250M-62? Sorry, not really. Front part looks like taken from napalm tanks of the ZAB-series. Rear part is uncrecognizable. But, FAB-250M-62s were still very rare as of 1973, and if at all, 'reserved' for Su-7s (it's possible that some were deployed by Egyptian Su-17s and/or Syrian Su-20s too, but I haven't found any participant recalling this). The only of these used on EAF MiG-17 were FAB-250M-46 and FAB-50s. Colour was either that 'rather dirty', 'light blue-green', for Soviet-manufactured modells; or dark green - for examples manufactured in Egypt (under designations like Kaakaa-50 and Kaakaa-250; BTW, Egyptians developed a variant of the Kaakaa-250 with retarding fins similar to those of the Mk.12 Snakeye system). thanks for this detailed update! first time I start to understand these bomb designations and differences! :) some update on the PF: no sun, sorry! walk ways added (with some scratch marks) black Identification stripes added, blueish green radar nose painted gloss coated "in flight" greetings, Werner 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted May 1, 2015 Author Share Posted May 1, 2015 so roundels and flags on hopefully in the corect size, especially the flags were retrimmed considerably in order to get more or less quadratic ones... no I need some help with the possible serial numbers! the PF needs very small ones below the canopy, the F bigger ones, same style I suppose. which serial range can I choose from? Tom maybe?? thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted May 2, 2015 Author Share Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) so, better photos in daylight and sun the Hawk of Quraish is from the Hi-Decals sheet, as far as I know the only one with the correct "bird= hawk" with black outline ... the Smer example would be an option, but is quite "basic" the one from Iliad design is more appropriate for a Syrian aircraft, as is the one from expert choice. All? other Egyptian flags with a "bird" show the much later Eagle of Saladin which came into use from 1979. The flags themselves seems to be quite quadratic in shape, unlike all the available decals, so I cut them.... on the left the UARAF flag cut from a, Iraqi one for the Su-24 Fencer from Begemont , and on the left the aforementioned Hi decals ones. roundel come from Hi decal and Begemont respectively (this time for the Syrian Fencer) as well. the Begemont decals have the nicest (IMHO) and brightest green stars,... that is why..... Some photos of Egyption MiGs show very small stars, some very big ones! I chose the big stars! quite colorful this "dream-pair", no? will be even more so! the decal paper for the batcrow unit insignia is on the way, so I am preparing for my first decal printing experience the supposedly white background will be painted extra I suppose... Edited May 2, 2015 by exdraken 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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