sovietstar Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Guys, so I'm thinking of modelling one of these bad boys (in the title) and was wondering if anyone could give me some help on the best 1/72 scale kits for the aforementioned. I really love these American jets and having modelled Mig-21's Mig-25s' Su-27's and the T-50 I was looking for a bit of a change. Thanks in advance P.S. I'm looking for readily available kits and if you include a link, please could it be to a website that uses GBP. Thank you very much for your time! P.P.S I love this forum!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard E Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) Just my personal preferences:F-15C, D and E - Hasegawa http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/index.php?adv=1&product_category_id=&product_division_id=&manufacturer_id=8042&product_type_id=&code=&scale_id=956&keyword_search=f-15&setPerPage=25&sort=0&search_direction=0&save_search_name=&save_search= F/A-18C and D - Academy http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/index.php?product_category_id=&product_division_id=&manufacturer_id=7874&code=&product_type_id=&scale_id=956&keyword_search=f%2Fa&setPerPage=25¤cy_id= F-18E and F and E/F-18G - Hasegawa https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/HA01912 http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/index.php?adv=1&product_category_id=&product_division_id=&manufacturer_id=8042&product_type_id=&code=&scale_id=956&keyword_search=f%2Fa-18f&setPerPage=25&sort=0&search_direction=0&save_search_name=&save_search= http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/index.php?adv=1&product_category_id=&product_division_id=&manufacturer_id=8042&product_type_id=&code=&scale_id=956&keyword_search=18g&setPerPage=25&sort=0&search_direction=0&save_search_name=&save_search= F-22A - Revell Edited January 13, 2015 by Richard E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sovietstar Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 Just my personal preferences: F-15C, D and E - Hasegawa F/A-18C and D - Academy F-18E and F and E/F-18G - Hasegawa F-22A - Revell Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVi Tophatter Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Hi Sovietstar, I agree with Richard E... Mind you, your headaches will begin when you come across variants, upgrades, timeframes, etc!!! With regards to the Hasegawa F-15’s, I would add: Compass Ghost scheme F-15A/B/C/D All Hasegawa F-15A/B/C/D kits are in the configuration most commonly seen throughout the 1980’s. The F-15A/B kits lack the earlier mainwheel design to match the decals in their respective boxing’s which is a shame considering Hasegawa’s modular approach. These earlier wheels can be found in the ESCI F-15A/B or E Prototype kits. For faired jet nozzles on F-15A/B/C/D jets throughout the 1970’s, you’ll have to steal a pair from the Academy, ESCI or updated Hasegawa F-15I Ra’am kits. Mod Eagle scheme F-15A/B/C/D 'MSIP II' No Hasegawa F-15A/B/C/D kit can be built in the so called ‘MSIP II’ configuration OOB without scratch-building or using the F-15J ‘MSIP II Config’ kit for an F-15A/C or updated F-15E kit for an F-15B/D. You’ll also need Hasegawa’s Weapons Set 5 for the later missile launchers on the wing pylons, AIM-9L/M, AIM-7M and AIM-120B missiles (if wanted). ‘MSIP II’ decals can be found on Supercale, Repliscale, Astra and Caracal decal sheets. A massively expensive project if buying outside of Asia. Alternatively, you could just get hold of the updated Academy F-15C ‘MSIP II’ kit which has everything you’ll need in the box. Some UK RRP prices for you... Hasegawa, Academy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seamus Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Worth considering the Academy F-22. One of the finest kits I've had the pleasure of building in this scale. Superior fit and detail when compared to the Revell kit, and can be found at a reasonable price. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike V Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I have to agree that the best F-22 is the Academy kit also. Shape and detail wise, it's the most accurate F-22 overall. It also does not carry over the vertical tail (too short) and blunt nose/radome inaccuracies as the 48th scale kit does. Mike V 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 If you don't want to spend much and don't mind an early Eagle, may I suggest the Airfix kit. Raised surface detail, but was regarded the benchmark kit, accuracywise, for quite some time by people who know more than me about such things. They are not considered collectible, and you may be able to get one for a fiver (€ or GBP). As I have never looked inside, I can't comment on their E boxing. Probably not quite as cheap, but also to be considered for A/B Eagles IMHO are the Esci kits, and Academy does some quite nice later versions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVi Tophatter Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 The ESCI F-15A/B/C/D and E prototype kits are really very nice and honest, what you need is in the box. The problem is getting hold of them, they are quite hard to find plus prices can be fair to ridiculous (£15-£30 inc. P&P) is what I usually find. I always get outbid though... That said, the later Academy F-15C/D/E kits are very similar to the ESCI kits, though the panel lines on the ESCI kits are finer and more consistent than the Academy one when you have both kits to hand. Also, the F-15E kit is just an F-15D without the full compliment of CFT pylons and other noticeable details. Still, the Academy kits are probably the best choice today when it comes to price, availability and variants you can build easily OOB. PS. Academy is likely to release an upgraded F-15E at some point, the revised tooling in the F-15C 'MSIP II' kit seems to point that way at least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike V Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 The Airfix 72nd F-15 might have been the benchmark of F-15s at one time, though that had to have been before Hasegawa's original (raised panel line) 72nd Eagle came out. I actually reviewed the 72nd Airfix F-15 (MPC rebox) as part of a 72nd "Best F-15 kit" inquiry from my local IPMS Club. At the time (late 90s) among the F-15A-D models, Hasegawa's late tool (Recessed pane line) Eagle was top notch. I was surprised to find the Airfix kit to be fairly accurate shape wise over the Academy kit. It ranked just under the Italeri kit. The overall shape was good, except for the forward fuselage which was a bit narrow, canopy, and radome profiles are off, but really good everywhere else. The other problems the Airfix Eagle kit had was the crude detailing in the cockpit, landing gear, and Exhaust. The raised panel lines were grossly out of scale too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 The Airfix 72nd F-15 might have been the benchmark of F-15s at one time, though that had to have been before Hasegawa's original (raised panel line) 72nd Eagle came out. The original Hase kit was released ca. 1975 and regularly updated from proto status to production shape, the Airfix was released in 1980. I am aware those are all opinions, but just the other day I re-read the Detail & Scale on the Eagle, and they "highly" recommended the Airfix as "excellent" vs. a recommendation as "good" for the Hasegawa. The Italeri Eagles (#166 E and 169 C, both bought in 1990) I'm aware of have really grossly overscale raised lines (much more so than Airfix, as I remember them). The Airfix Eagle is the only of the early kits (except perhaps the Monogram) to have any detail apart from decals in the cockpit (IP and consoles), though it only has a one-piece ESCAPAC - I don't think the original Hase was any less crude in that region, though it may have been upgraded somewhere along the line. My primary point was that if an early Eagle is not a hindrance and price is a point, Airfix could be attractive, as older kits tend to be dismissed simply on the grounds of being older. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caerbannog Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 A very good question Sovietstar - the same I asked me before. What I found agrees with Richard on most points but: F-15: You need to take care that the Hasegawa F-15E should be the new tool version (I think it came out last year). The older tooling had some issues (I forgot which) F-18: Regarding Hasegawa just take care that they keep on selling old tool kits even thouhg they have developed new tool versions of the same subject. So make sure you get the new tool kit inside the box you want to buy. As Hasegawa will not tell you - this is the place to check: http://modelingmadness.com/splfeat/kr/researchfeat.htm(a bit dated but still useful) F-22: Revell is reported to be better than the Academy shapewise (the intakes for example). But the Revell kit has some nasty ejector marks and at least the earlier boxing has odd decal colours it was said. But from the rumor the best F-22 should be the Fujimi kit if you can get it (and want to afford it...). I have neither F-22 kit and so can only repeat what I read elsewhere. Rene 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike V Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) The recent upgraded Hasegawa F-15E has some corrected tooling and updated parts, but it's is not an all new tool Strike Eagle. Even so, it's good to point out that the earlier Hasegawa F-15E releases are like the 48th scale kits; F-15Ds with CFTS and bomb pylons; of which the ones on the CFTS are wrong. It should be noted that the Airfix F-15E (though not an accurate Strike Eagle, did have the correct CFT pylon arrangement. I used them on a 72nd Hasegawa F-15E build for a client at one time. Negative on the Revell F-22 shape accuracy over the Academy kit. Having been on the F-22 program, I had the opportunity to compare just about very F-22 kit to engineering drawings and dimensions taken off the real jet. Even though the ROG F-22 came out quite nice for being designed from basic outline dimensions and photos, someone at Academy had an inside track on the F-22, as they did a much better job with the shape and cross section. They did blunt the nose and get the vertical tails too short on the 48th scale version (I figured out how they made their mistake with the tails), but addressed those issues in the 72nd scale kit. The Fujimi F-22 kit is not really that good accuracy wise. It has some major shape problems and the landing gear is proportionally too large for the scale; especially the nose wheel. this is probably why the model sits too high. The side profile and cross section of the forward fuselage is off. The main Weps bay doors are dimensionally all wrong and the bays poorly detailed. The bulge transition from above the intake mouth going aft is quite exaggerated. it's like that area of the upper fuselage is "swollen". The Fujimi F-22 also has exaggerated "LO" surface detail; similar to the 48th Hasegawa kit, Shape wise overall, the ROG Raptor is better than the Fujimi F-22. The original Hase kit was released ca. 1975 and regularly updated from proto status to production shape, the Airfix was released in 1980. I am aware those are all opinions, but just the other day I re-read the Detail & Scale on the Eagle, and they "highly" recommended the Airfix as "excellent" vs. a recommendation as "good" for the Hasegawa. The Italeri Eagles (#166 E and 169 C, both bought in 1990) I'm aware of have really grossly overscale raised lines (much more so than Airfix, as I remember them). The Airfix Eagle is the only of the early kits (except perhaps the Monogram) to have any detail apart from decals in the cockpit (IP and consoles), though it only has a one-piece ESCAPAC - I don't think the original Hase was any less crude in that region, though it may have been upgraded somewhere along the line. My primary point was that if an early Eagle is not a hindrance and price is a point, Airfix could be attractive, as older kits tend to be dismissed simply on the grounds of being older. I am not exactly sure when the Hasegawa’s 72nd F-15 kit first hit the market, but take your word on its initial release. The early raised panel line version I reviewed was a 1981 release; the recessed panel line version in our review pool was from mid 90s. The early raised panel line F-15A parts are identical to a later 1992 issue I have on hand. From our research back then, the original Hasegawa F-15 tooling was only updated from Prototype/FSD to production once around 79-80. I don’t recall if either kit (Early Has – Airfix) came out with an ACES II Seat though. All other Hasegawa “raised panel line” F-15s releases were just box and decal changes. Detail wise, both the Airfix and original Hasegawa Eagle kits are quite lacking, but Airfix's was more crude with their stores, gear, and Exhaust. The Airfix/MPC kit had a better cockpit compared to the featureless Hasegawa kit cockpit, especially compared to that terrible ESCAPAC seat rendition. I give kudos to the Airfix ESCAPAC seat though as for the time period, it is was decent for box stock. As far as D & S, while I did take note of their model recommendations, they did make some bad calls back calls every now and then. As for your original point, I think I supported that as again I mentioned the Airfix F-15 was surprisingly good for its day. For today's standard though, I think I’d rather source a 72nd newer tool F-15A-D, as they can be had for cheap also. Edited January 14, 2015 by Mike V 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caerbannog Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 The recent upgraded Hasegawa F-15E has some corrected tooling and updated parts, but it's is not an all new tool Strike Eagle. Even so, it's good to point out that the earlier Hasegawa F-15E releases are like the 48th scale kits; F-15Ds with CFTS and bomb pylons; of which the ones on the CFTS are wrong. ... You are right - IIRC the panel lines especially around the engines are wrong - though I cannot say what is wrong. Thanks for your info on the F-22 kits. So Academy is the best - but what about this intake issue? Can you confirm this? Again I only found it oin the net but seem to recall there were pics of the real thing and the kits and it was plausible for me (but have to admit that my memory tricks me from time to time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike V Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I think I know what you're referring to as far as the Academy F-22 Intake issue. They did make an error with the Intakes. The problem is the dimension between the inboard intake mouth walls and the side of the forward fuselage. This is the space for the ACSC RAM air ducts and it should be about twice the spacing. When I built an Academy 72nd Raptor for a Pilot friend, I made a few cut adjustments on the inboard intake parts to get the correct spacing. I'd have to see if I logged the mod details in my notes as I don't have that model to refer too. Good you brought that up as I had planned to make a correction for that area. I don't know why Academy made that mistake with the intake IB sides, as the 48th scale kit is correct; yet they did correct the vertical tails and nose in 72nd. Mike V 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piggypod1 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Just like to say that i've just completed an Airfix F15-e Strike Eagle as an f15-c from lakenheath and i must say i'm more than happy with the results, raided panel lines and all ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Zen Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Late reply but: Best overall: F-15: Hasegawa (all versions) F/A-18A-D: Academy F/A-18E/F: Hasegawa F-22: Academy Cheap (but still good) option: F-15: Academy (all versions) F/A-18A-D: Hasegawa F/A-18E/F: None... Italeri has major errors F-22: Revell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hadland Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 I just thought I would reopen this topic as I'm wondering if the above information still holds true for the 1/72 F-15E, is the Hasegawa kit still the best kit around for this model? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 1 minute ago, David Hadland said: I just thought I would reopen this topic as I'm wondering if the above information still holds true for the 1/72 F-15E, is the Hasegawa kit still the best kit around for this model? RoG is to release a new tool Beagle, it might be worth waiting a bit: https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235082966-revell-new-tooling-f-15e-172/ Cheers, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT7567 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 On 11/21/2021 at 3:33 AM, David Hadland said: I just thought I would reopen this topic as I'm wondering if the above information still holds true for the 1/72 F-15E, is the Hasegawa kit still the best kit around for this model? Current "best available" Strike Eagle is probably the GWH F-15E/I family of kits, which has all the correct mods for the variants and a very high level of detail. Unfortunately this comes at a literal price: in most markets and for most boxings, the GWH kit's retail cost is quite a jump above the average for any of the competitors. Another newer addition to the lineup worth consideration is Academy's new tooling for the F-15E/K. This follows the snap-together approach with multicolor plastic, but the level of accuracy and detail is generally far better than traditional snap fit kits. The main areas needing upgrades are the exhausts (resin replacements available) and possibly the weapons. Even with the cost of some aftermarket factored in, the new tool Academy kit is typically much cheaper than the GWH kit. Hasegawa's "corrected" tooling would rank just below these two (with Academy's original F-15E rounding out the top 4). I'm sure many of us are eager to see the upcoming Revell and how it compares to all of the above. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hadland Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Just to let everyone know I got the "New Tool" Academy F-15E Strike Eagle (12478) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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