Work In Progress Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 While there are several sets of Gladiator drawings knocking about the usual sites on the internet, there are none of assured quality (which for me would mean measured, drawn and published by someone of the calibre of Arthur Bentley, Peter Cooke or John Adams) and all of them look a bit, er, speculative in various ways. Does anyone on here have a documented source for the dihedral angle? I've started a 1/24 scratch-build (don't get too excited, it's only one of those wooden flying things) and while I am happy enough with my outlines I can't find a dihedral angle that I trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 From 'The Gloster Gladiator' by F. K. Mason, 1964 Gladiator Mk.1; Dihedral, top and bottom wings, 3 degrees, +/- 15 minutes Gladiator Mk.2: Dihedral, top and bottom wings, 3 degrees Sea Gladiator; as for Mk.2 hth F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work In Progress Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Well done that man. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I guess the fairly ancient one from Aeromodeller, IIRC by George Cox, may be close, as he would have had to do his drawings either by measuring an original, or by working from Gloster material (which in itself may be dangerous, I know) - there was no airwar.ru to inspire him in those days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work In Progress Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 The Cox drawings are not without merit but I am treating them with suspicion. Also they don't actually quote any rigging angles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 There are of course the even earlier Aeromodeller ones March 1953 (Sea Gladiator) which again look reasonable. The Cox drawings don't appear to have any immediately jarring issues and are probably the base source for all others around and I wouldn't trust any drawings gleaned from any of the .ru websites unless they're of a Russian subject, as most all of them are pirated copies from else where. The only place you're going to find rigging data is the AP and that's one I don't have access too, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work In Progress Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 Thanks, John, For the outlines what I've done in the end is cheat by scanning the new Airfix kit in 2D in high resolution, enlarge to re-scale and trace off that. To me it seems like most accurate small scale reference point available, and of course we know they had abundant access to G-AMRK. It matches my photographs too! The 3 degree dihedral as quoted by Mason looks right when drawn up so I am using that as a baseline, though I may go to 4 degrees for additional spiral stabillity. What I'm doing is a teeny weeny free-flight model for the first Old Warden flying scale even of the year in April, so having achieved a sense of scale fidelity I then have to diverge again for practicality and weight. . It's slowly going on over here: a quick scroll to the bottom gets to some thumbnails of the work thus far, and avoids most of my verbiage. http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?topic=18396.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Scale flying is something I've been out of for a good few years and I would like to try some Electric stuff. I've got a 24" Pussmoth with an original Frog gearbox, I must finish at some point. Interesting site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work In Progress Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 Yes, it is a good site for flying things. Monique's audacious and beautiful Shackleton with four rubber motors makes me whimper every time I go over there. That Puss moth is very pretty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimK Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 This is from AP1523'The Gladiator Aeroplane', Vol I, 2nd edition, July 1938. Fig. 75 'Rigging Diagram' gives the following: Gap on main planes 5ft 3.75in. Incidence 2deg 30min plus/minus 15min. Dihedral 3deg plus/minus 15min. Stagger 27in plus/minus 1/8in. Hope this helps. Good luck with the scratchbuild. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work In Progress Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 Thanks, those additional measurements are very useful to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 That Puss moth is very pretty. I must dig it out again and cover it. There is a vacformed Gipsy cowl to go on the front. I had a box of 24 prewar Frog gearboxes but they were stolen with some R/C stuff from my works trailer in an attempted burglary a few years ago when I was moving house. I had planned to do all of the Moths in 18th scale. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work In Progress Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 You could get that done for 16-17 May... http://www.shuttleworth.org/whats-on/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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