woody37 Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 long way to go for a beer, but agree, it's a beautiful coastal drive. For the big bits glued on today between domestic choirs. Next step, the clear parts will go on then masking. Also, forgot to show, but put some detail in the nose. Nothing mega accurate, just enough to reflect what's going on there: 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 The Lincolns were the proposed Paraguayan meat freighters, designed to transport meat, un-refrigerated across the Andes. That was the only one finished but I don't think it ever flew. I never got inside this one. From what I can remember the bomb bay was converted into a deeper hold. It had a badge on the side, a winged Red Bull with the name El Torro. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learstang Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Neil, now that looks like a Lincoln! Regarding those Paraguayan meat freighters, I think those give the MR.31's some competition for the most "beautiful" version of the Lincoln. When you consider those with the test bed Lincolns, the poor Lincoln certainly had some unspeakable things done to its airframe. And then it was turned into the Shackleton MR.1, hardly a beauty in anyone's book (although it did get its looks back and then some with the rather handsome Shackleton MR.2). Regards, Jason 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousLL45 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Agree with John I don't think it flew at all. Got to say Neil I can't wait to see the finished subject, you've done us proud Glenn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I reckon this one will look even better than the real one at Cosford Neil! Spectacular job, I don't know how you manage to get thos join lines so perfect. Cheers John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody37 Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Neil, now that looks like a Lincoln! Regarding those Paraguayan meat freighters, I think those give the MR.31's some competition for the most "beautiful" version of the Lincoln. When you consider those with the test bed Lincolns, the poor Lincoln certainly had some unspeakable things done to its airframe. And then it was turned into the Shackleton MR.1, hardly a beauty in anyone's book (although it did get its looks back and then some with the rather handsome Shackleton MR.2). Regards, Jason Lol, it was certainly an abused sibbling of the Lancaster! Agree with John I don't think it flew at all. Got to say Neil I can't wait to see the finished subject, you've done us proud Glenn Thanks Glenn. The resin has been top notch, so you're to thank for that. With what you've got planned this year, there's going to be lots of happy people knocking around on BM 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airscale Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 really enjoying this - a beautifully executed conversion love learning about the airframe too bravo Peter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme H Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 This just keeps getting better, loving it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody37 Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 One of the things I'm not keen on with the airfix kit is lack of clear escape hatch windows. I tried various ways of doing this. Firstly with a hole drilled in the fuselage & using the Eduard etch hatch with thin acetate under neath, but this stood out too proud, so then I simply tried a piece of acetate stuck over the hole, but this too was too pronounced. I gave in and cut a a square hole out of the fuselage and thcker acetate will be dropped in place. In this picture you can see the acetate already cut to size and the hole cut out of the fuselage with tabs glued in ready to locate it. A mask will be cut out using a hole punch for the round window once fitted: Fortunately the rear hatch is replaced by the turret on the Lincoln. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Is that what those are on the kit? Huh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Puff Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 You've convinced me - I rang Gary at Red Roo this arvo and ordered a couple (well, you can't just build one - a short nose and a long nose, as a minimum ...) and I'll probably sign on for the Manchester and Lancastrian as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Awfully neat, awfully impressive, awfully bl**dy good..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Alpha Yankee Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Wow Neil, you are tearing through this. I was going to ask why the BII kit but figured it was due to the Inboard nacelle/UC bay shape? I would like to build a Lincoln one day, but as an RAAF MK30 from 1 or 6 SQN (not the ugly long nose jobby). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloegin57 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Woody37, This is with out doubt the best Lincoln conversion that I have seen to date and for shame, I have only just become aware of it. Very, very nice work. I see that you have sorted out the revised rear fuselage thanks to John and a few others. This scan from F.K. Mason's book on the Lancaster may explain why it was done and what the results were. I have been attempting to build a decent Lincoln for years and that is an extract from the fairly full file that I have built up on it. Used to watch them on air test out of 20MU Aston Down when I were a nipper. With regards to accurate drawings of the type in profile, I have only found one and that is in "Aircraft of the Fighting Powers Vol VII". Attached a compilation I put together in Photoshop as an aide-memoir for my files comparing the differences between the Lancaster and Lincoln. Ignore the references to 1/72 - the original is but I have reduced it to comply with site rules. :- Blackbird 01 - there will be an order for one of these in the next few days plus I will be keeping an eye out for the Lancastrian conversion. Combine the two plus anAirfix B.II kit will result in (finally, finally !!) a decent, and expensive, model of an EANS Lincolnian that a friend of mine took apart for storage back in the 50's. Good work - Blackbird models for the conversion and Woody for the build. Dennis Edited January 12, 2015 by sloegin57 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousLL45 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'll keep people posted regarding the Lancastrian and Manchester conversions, but I know Alan has a house move pending so please bear with us on this Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaStix Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Fantastic progress Woody and a fascinating thread as well. Brilliant stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody37 Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Cheers guys. Dennis, thank you for the explanation and of course the drawing, great to see both side by side. Now we know why the tail was different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fharris Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I hate to add to the workload.... If the ailerons were split, it appears from the picture that the trim tabs are one piece. How that would work I have no idea! The tab on each wing is also split, the inboard section is the aileron trimming tab, the outboard section the aileron balance tab. FGH 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyot Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Your doing the usual fantastic job on this one Neil, well done mate. I hope that Blackbird Models slip you a freebie for the amount of orders that you appear to have generated so far as you are giving them fantastic free advertising!! All the best Tony 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody37 Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 The tab on each wing is also split, the inboard section is the aileron trimming tab, the outboard section the aileron balance tab. FGH I'm assuming from the authority in your statement this is a fact! Thanks for confirming this, we've all been guessing. I can now sort it before painting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloegin57 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) Inaccuracies deleted Dennis Edited January 14, 2015 by sloegin57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousLL45 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Apologies Woody37, I should have got back earlier before you started painting but I have been getting shovels and welly boots ready for the blizzard that should hit us in the early hours ( we have an amber snow warning here, Dundee to the north and Edinburgh to the south have been clobbered and I think its our turn next. There is a bit missing from the conversion kit a far as I can tell from the photo you put up. All Lincolns from the prototype onward had an Air Conditioning heat exchanger inlet and exhaust mounted on the starboard side of the fuselage above the mainplane trailing edge. It was originally fitted to all Lancaster B.I(FE) aircraft destined for the Tiger Force and, surprisingly, new build Mk.X's in Canada but as far as I can tell only those with the Martin turret. I have not seen it on any drawings and it is not in the Airfix kit. It is often difficult to see especially as most photographs of Lincolns are from the port side and if taken of the starboard side it is hidden by the mainplane or by the fact that it is black on black. Attached a few photos from my files. I have no side drawing but a scan of the end papers in "Lincoln at War" shows it in plan view. Prototype - scanned from end jacket of "Lincoln at War" :- Standard production aircraft:- Specialist aircraft:- "Lincolnian (RE367 "Aries III") From the end plates of "Lincoln at War" (arrowed) There is no indication on the drawing of the stbd side as to its shape and positioning I am afraid One final thing whilst I remember. Canopy In all Lincoln photos and on the full sized aircraft that I saw years ago, only the stbd side of the canopy had a blister fitted, on the port (pilots) side the transparency was flat. Although to be honest, it would not take long to change that but it seemed to be standard. HTH Dennis That part you say is missing from the conversion is actually in there. Not sure where you make that comment from, have you bought one? But I know its included Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousLL45 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 its a bit like saying we've not included the wheels or props as they've not been fitted to Neils model in the photo so far!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloegin57 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 That part you say is missing from the conversion is actually in there. Not sure where you make that comment from, have you bought one? But I know its included its a bit like saying we've not included the wheels or props as they've not been fitted to Neils model in the photo so far!! No offence meant Blackbird01 but I did say as far as I can tell from the photo of the conversion that Woody37 put up. I'll take your word for it that it is in there although I cannot see it in the photo. I'll edit Post 172 Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fharris Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) I'm assuming from the authority in your statement this is a fact! Thanks for confirming this, we've all been guessing. I can now sort it before painting RAAF Pub.802 Sect.4, Chap.3, Page 5. Former and Rib Positions FGH Edited January 14, 2015 by fharris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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