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*Eyes and ears GB For anything recon related Air land & sea. Ready for the ballot


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thueser has suggested this group build. But can't host.

I think his idea is brilliant and it would such a shame not to carry the torch further

Everything that is used for recon purposes Sea air or land. The scope is almost endless and can be anything from a scout on the ground to the most advanced spy aircraft

Anyone?

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Been wanting to kit-bash the Airfix Spifire XIX and ICM IX into a PR XI for a while so this seems as good a reason as any. There's also a Tamiya 72nd scale Mosquito PR.IV and Testors 48th scale SR-71in the stash so a few potential subjects. Or I could justify buying the Condor MiG-25 :hmmm:

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Count me in too please, but I'm wondering when pupose built recon aircraft (sorry to focus on flying things), came into existence?

The very first military aircraft were used as unarmed scouts of course, and two-seater 'general fighting biplanes' provided the recon function well into the thirties.

Would the GB be open to these generalists as well as to the more specialist PR models that we immediately think of?

What are your thoughts on this please?

Cheers

Cliff

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Count me in too please, but I'm wondering when pupose built recon aircraft (sorry to focus on flying things), came into existence?

The very first military aircraft were used as unarmed scouts of course, and two-seater 'general fighting biplanes' provided the recon function well into the thirties.

Would the GB be open to these generalists as well as to the more specialist PR models that we immediately think of?

What are your thoughts on this please?

Cheers

Cliff

The very first military aeroplanes were used for military observation; spotting troop movements and directing artillery shell fall.

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The very first military aeroplanes were used for military observation; spotting troop movements and directing artillery shell fall.

My point exactly BK - that's what I meant by 'scouts'.

The question I was asking was whether they (and later general purpose aircraft types used for recon), should qualify for the 'eyes and ears' GB'?

Or is it better if the permissible subjects must be more specifically developed for the task e.g. PR variants etc?

Sorry if we are talking at cross purposes!

Cliff

Edit: my own view is that a requirement for some degree of specialism of purpose should be required (even though that rules out most of what I could otherwise build :winkgrin: )

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Cliff the GB is named eyes and ears. If early scouts wouldn't be allowed who should? After all every evolution has to start somewhere and ignoring the very first spark of life would be in my world a big mistake. So yes on my part

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Cliff the GB is named eyes and ears. If early scouts wouldn't be allowed who should? After all every evolution has to start somewhere and ignoring the very first spark of life would be in my world a big mistake. So yes on my part

What i had in mind

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Please add me to the list. Not sure what with, could be an M8 armoured car or maybe a WWII recon plane.

Andrew

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Rob it all depends on how long it takes to get signatures enough to trigger the yearly GB poll :winkgrin:

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I would say go for it. What do you say Col.?

I say yes. This was the first purpose of those earliest flying machines and I think it would be folly to exclude them. I'm sure someone with more knowledge of First World War aviation can give an accurate cut-off point for when the specialist fighters, bombers etc. appeared but until such time as an authoritative voice can weigh in perhaps the simplest definition is to view any of those early era machines which went up unarmed as 'scouts'. The difficulty comes when we consider the fitting of guns as defensive armament on reconnaissance types from around 1916 onwards but from what I can recall of writing a dissertation on the subject of WWI aviation at university cameras arrived around the same time so there we may have a point in our favour.

So let's move forward through time a little and into the 30s. Perhaps I'm being stupid here and if so feel free to wade in with information but reconnaissance seemed to have fallen from fashion in favour of fighter and bomber types. Are we really into the 40s before the dedicated PR types reappear?

Let's jump forward again into the 'jet-age' and Cold War. Off the top of my head I can think of types such as the RB-45 & 47, EB-66, Meteor PR.9, Hunter FR.10 & MiG-25R that are clearly eligible but what of types such as the F-14, Sea Harrier or Jaguar that had a secondary reconnaissance capacity? Perhaps we need to insist that such machines are modelled in a relevant configuration. So TARPS pod on the Tomcat and the centreline pod on the Jag. The SHAR, however, is a more contentious issue for me personally. The FRS.1 designation, just as GR.1/3/5/7/9, takes that R from an inbuilt Reconnaissance role with camera to suit but are not really what I consider to be a specifically reconn type in the same way a U2 or SR-71 clearly is.

Sorry this long ramble only covers aircraft but I'm sure there's similar conundrums in AFV and maritime.

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