F4u Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I have a question about the model in the Airfix Model World review. On all four engines the front and rear propellers are lined up neatly. Is this a mechanical thing that happened automatically in aircraft with contra-rotating props, or is it something the ground crews would do by hand to make them look neat and tidy, or just the modeller going for a less-cluttered picture? For the props to look like that they would have been moved by hand as you say to look neat and tidy it is called dressing the props ! Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayprit Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Does anyone know if the Suez Crisis Shackletons carried invasion stripes on the wings please? Try this.............may give you some idea: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/135522-chematic-avro-shackleton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard123 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Thanks again, but are there any period photos? All the decal sheets I've found and kits seem to show the wing stripes and every other aircraft seems to have carried them but I'm not convinced about the Shackleton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4u Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Have contacted someone who was on Shacks during the crisis and he was involved with transporting troops out to the area and as far as he remembers the aircraft he was on did not have any stripes what so ever and he says that other aircraft had stripes on the fuselage only but there were not many as they mainly operated out over the med and not directly over the hot spots. Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunpowder17 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) I really did not want to say this , but build wise , im not that impressed. I have waited years for a Shackleton and it is my top favourite aircraft. Im hoping its just my kit but so far the fit has not been too great. No matter what i did i could not get the rear fuselage to close , so i removed the entire floor aft of the bomb bay and the fit was spot on. I have had to use filler on the entire fuselage join. I have actually put it to one side for now. I am a tad dissapointed after waiting so long.I hope thay have not rushed it just to get it out early.. The nose was a little short shot too just above the bomb aimers window. Edited October 13, 2015 by gunpowder17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard123 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Have contacted someone who was on Shacks during the crisis and he was involved with transporting troops out to the area and as far as he remembers the aircraft he was on did not have any stripes what so ever and he says that other aircraft had stripes on the fuselage only but there were not many as they mainly operated out over the med and not directly over the hot spots. Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard123 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Thanks Guy, backs up what I thought. I can build one now without the stripes. I can always add them later if I'm proved wrong! Cheers Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richw_82 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) I have a question about the model in the Airfix Model World review. On all four engines the front and rear propellers are lined up neatly. Is this a mechanical thing that happened automatically in aircraft with contra-rotating props, or is it something the ground crews would do by hand to make them look neat and tidy, or just the modeller going for a less-cluttered picture? The prop shafts are geared so that they turn together, equal amounts in opposng direction. The props are dressed by hand into a Y for two reasons - it looks neat, and it prevents water settling into the spinner. This last point poses a real problem in winter conditions as if it froze it would produce a violent off balance when the engine was run. Edited October 13, 2015 by richw_82 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stever219 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I've just had a brief discussion with one of our club members who remembers Shackletons and he remembers the entire interior being in Night. Airfix have only had former AEW airframes for reference and their interiors benefitted from work done on the MR 3 to improve crew comfort on long sorties, including the interior colour scheme. I'm sure I've seen it in print somewhere (Ian Allan "Modern Combat Aircraft" series perhaps, or Dalrymple & Verdun but can't presently locate either book. The fuselage joint was picked up in Jen Wright's article in Airfix Model World and seems to be capable of reasonably quick and simple resolution. OK, it ought not to be necessary in this day and age, but none of us are infablible, inflailabable,.....foolproof and it ought not to be a show stopper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpm1did1 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) If anyone wants something a little different there always the St Mawgan gate guard 2c - the Clotted Cream Shack http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?95115-RAF-St-Mawgan-Remembered http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=178046&stc=1&d=1256082644 They say it was being repainted however having lived in the pointy county for many years I'm pretty sure that's their idea of a completed article! Edited October 13, 2015 by dpm1did1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richw_82 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) The MR1 was black throughout. Crews complained so the MR2 saw the introduction of a better galley and soundproofing. The only differences are where the soundproofing was removed to retain the C of G. Great for us as we only have to change equipment out to finish putting our Shackleton back to MR configuration. Edited October 13, 2015 by richw_82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpm1did1 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 ...and the Interior. http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?80495-Shackleton-WL795-St-Mawgan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayprit Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Thanks Guy, backs up what I thought. I can build one now without the stripes. I can always add them later if I'm proved wrong! Cheers Richard Yes they did carry the stripes - I have photographic evidence. Featured in Scale Aircraft Modelling Volume 12 number 9 dated June 1990 page 306, middle photo, shows WL785 coded E sat on the runway basking in the sun........then Page 405, a profile drawing of same aircraft in Suez markings whilst with 37 sqdn............I understand the same photo can be seen in Shackleton Warpaint............hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Yes they did carry the stripes - I have photographic evidence. Featured in Scale Aircraft Modelling Volume 12 number 9 dated June 1990 page 306, middle photo, shows WL785 coded E sat on the runway basking in the sun........then Page 405, a profile drawing of same aircraft in Suez markings whilst with 37 sqdn............I understand the same photo can be seen in Shackleton Warpaint............hope this helps. I have the same publications and photos. Yes the profile artwork shows wing stripes, with full underwing serials, however there is no way that you can tell in the photographs if the stripes are actually there. Cheers.. Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniperUK Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 LMS had two in at lunchtime, the main word being "had" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4u Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 The prop shafts are geared so that they turn together, equal amounts in opposng direction. The props are dressed by hand into a Y for two reasons - it looks neat, and it prevents water settling into the spinner. This last point poses a real problem in winter conditions as if it froze it would produce a violent off balance when the engine was run. Thanks for that Rich interesting to know the workings of how contra props work, we dressed the props on the Catalina to look nice and neat never did like that job (high up !!) May I ask a silly question if you pull a prop through by hand does that mean both sets of blades will move ? Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12by12 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Yes, they are geared together. Doesn't apply to a Gannet though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richw_82 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Beat me to it! Yes, pull one blade and they all go around. Dressing the props on the Cat is a way to get vertigo! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4u Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Thanks chaps, Rich tell me about it I don't think I could do it now not with out a parachute !!! Just checking the oil levels was bad enough mountaineering comes to mind ! I like engines a little closer to terra firma !! Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepureness Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Hi everyone, Got mine yesterday and started to take a good look at it with the intention of starting it Friday night, Now after removing A2 the starboard fuselage half the outside of the roof area has several deeps sink marks and the two fuselage parts do not mate unless I use a lot of pressure, so much that I feel it could pull apart any mine when gluing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunpowder17 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) I removed the rear floor behind the bomb bay and it fitted better. I have the sink marks too as well as a short shot on the leading edge of the wing and the nose. Mines quite far along but it has not been a breeze to do Edited October 15, 2015 by gunpowder17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feldr Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Try reading the build in AMW.. it will give you clues how to solve the fuselage issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunpowder17 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) Read it , that method still didnt work.... Edited October 15, 2015 by gunpowder17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepureness Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I've not started. I'm just dry fitting the 2 fuselage halves BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 German in-box review with sprues pics: http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/FirstLook/Airfix/Airfix_Avro_Shackleton_MR2/Airfix_Avro_Shackleton_MR2.html V.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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