perdu Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 (edited) That is how I intend tackling the LRMTS head too, I made a solid block of clear polystyrene do the job last time I did one This time I want it just a bit 'nicer' As for this kit, I found it to be shape accurate, with detail wibbles So is the Hasegawa one but at least Airfix made the slots in the airbrake, slots Hasegawa made them into little blocks sticking out of the brakes although much of the Hase detailing is a bit nicer than the Airfix one's Matchbox however, fish of a different kettle Matchbox's kit choices were always a bit different, lovely biplanes like the Fury or Seafox Tempting double duty types like the Tempest where they tried to make a decent fist of mix'n'match with radial and inline engine choices But sometimes their 'modelling' just didn't hit the spot for me, like this T2. My verdict? Close enough for government work but no ceegar I will have to do far more to the T2 than either GR 1 model As it happens I don't mind modelling, it's what I do At the end of this process I expect to have three nice enough Jaguars Then I can sit back and revel in an object lesson from Steve Fritag when he finishes his Hawk(s) and hits Sepecat for six Edited December 21, 2014 by perdu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 This picture has the exhaust duct that sits in the brake well, still awaiting info on whether its for an APU, but I think it is It is Bill. Actually called an 'Air Generator' in the pilots Flight Revfrence Cards - but same thing. You started it as one of the last things in the Pre-Start checks and then used it to start No 1 Engine and then checked it had shut down at the beginning of the After Start checks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 (edited) Thank you Steve, nice to know I was in the ball park Some of you will have the Aeroplane Illustrated Icons mag/book about the Jaguar with the iconic pink Jag on the cover I know Steve and others do and while looking at the front cover at the great front on view I could see that Airfix did get the front end of the transparencies wrong The planform of the kit's front section (wot, for convenience I will identify as 'the screen' ) is almost rectangular whereas the real thing has a lovely curved taper and a double bubble where the fuselage meets the side windows That tapers round under the flat middle screen section to make a complex panel at the joint I decided to tackle the screen mould so I could get the shape more like the Jag Here is the screen being reshaped and prepared for a quicky test mould Here's the newly reshaped starbord window which is much more like the proper one And the other side, nice curves huh The fuselage needs reshaping too, short work for a double curved needle file to reshape the upper faces leaving a new faired in outer coaming First canopy pulled of the moulds and rough trimmed to test it out [ Here's the rough trimmed test of the front screen added to the other one The reshaped screen lead in shows quite well methinks [ This is the front section and canopy being fit trimmed, not down in the well yet at the front but after this I am happy to begin moulding the 'good ones' Now that it is almost Christmas the Curse of the Hospice trophy has struck Some may recall that every Christmas my club demands we give three pounds to the treasurer and dive into a black plastic bag in order to withdraw a Seasonally wrapped parcel, this contains a 'kit' which has been donated by a club member Our only redress aginst getting a pile of rubbish is Lady Luck, so far I've been fairly lucky. Puma, Sea Fury and this year's grand 'gift' The brand new Airfix Red Arrows Hawk which HAS to be completed out-of-the-box by February No enhancements no after market at all unless there was AM in the box when we open it So I may have to do bits of unlicensed Hawk occasionally, I dont want to pay the huge fine for failure... Edited December 21, 2014 by perdu 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Really nice work there. I love how you think nothing of crash molding new parts and can breeze through them in now time - and producing quality parts ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 (edited) Really nice work there. I love how you think nothing of crash molding new parts and can breeze through them in now time - and producing quality parts ! I too was just pondering on the skill, speed and confidence with with which Bill wields a file and knocks out moulds and mouldings....... Edited December 21, 2014 by Fritag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milktrip Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Glad to see the clothes peg again. I have to thank you for that, after your scout build I went out and bought a packet of wooden ones. And I agree with Hendie & Steve about the crash moulding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 Guys you are too generous, but thank you Steve I spent years in engineering, tool making and machine setting A needle file was never far away when minor tool fettling became necessary and crash moulding is so easy I get surprised at how many folks shy away from what is a basic skill Not every shape needs vacuum to get it done And oh yes Aaron, clothes pegs. They need to have hung clothes out to dry for a while so they get worn and dampened and dried and dampened etc Fresh ones dont worlk too well for me Let us know how you get on with your nice new ones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 (edited) As it is airbrake time I also took a look at the Matchbox T2 Hmm Interesting, basic shape not too bad but many areas of detail are underplayed Over deep panel lines and some, as on the airbrakes need redoing but as I am in airbrake mode I will probably open the misshapes up and make four new doors instead of two The gun bay shapes are miles off We shall see, this might just be the Jag I enjoy building most, I wonder which 'owner' to model I could go ETPS as in the crude transfer choice in the box, but not decided yet I rather like camo T2s, but not the SoOAF (or was it RSOAF) I remembered that I've got the Matchbox T bird in the attic. Got it out. Looked at it. Put it back Am looking forward immensely to seeing what you do with it Bill I think the two seater is a fantastically attractive aircraft; especially when cleaned up without external stores. We used to program regular training in 1 v 1 and 2 v 1 air combat (aka a bit of fun) - god knows what justification we used as a ground attack squadron; plus the fact anyone dogfighting a jag in search of a guns kill for real would clearly be 'tuppence short of a shilling. Anyways - whenever possible we had the engineers drop the tanks and cbls and flew them clean - it had a very good 8g load limit IIRC - so it'd be perfectly proper to see a wrap around T2 absent external stores. Of course you may have to paint up a 1/72 scale pilot complete with huge grin on his face........... Edited December 22, 2014 by Fritag 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 22, 2014 Author Share Posted December 22, 2014 Would he also have a passenger with a huge grinning fun face too? Just 'cos... The two colours wrap around sounds like a plan then Some time ahead yet though of course I'm not brave enough to build three Jags at the same time, my name isnt Friday 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_gn Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 My assumption that building more than one model at a time would result in more completed models has been proven to be hopelessly incorrect. Just the opposite in fact. What actually happens is that I don't spend enough time on any of them. When my Tornado, Fishing Boat and ASK21 are done, It's one at a time for me. Probably. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 23, 2014 Author Share Posted December 23, 2014 (edited) Probably Not sure I will see that from you doc, but... as for the ONE I'm building (so far) I did the LRMTS cutaway with a few gentle file strokes ready for window making soon Maybe I should call Safestyle Or not And gave myself some spokeshaving to do (for another model a century away) In the quest for airbrake accurac... reasonable lookness, I carved a heat former You know what from Big radius on the sides to form the curved shape of the fuselage at the brake panel Then pulled a few sheets of 15 thou onto the former with a tea light heat source not nice, idea rejected anyone want a part worn clothes peg? with that dumb idea disposed of I tried another way, bearing in mind I have at least two and possibly three sets of airbrakes to make I decided to bring in a little industrial thinking First cut out a prototype practise brake and make its inner parts too, brakes open you can see the strengthening portions and I feel I need to have them visible so prototype here Apologies for this next blurry picture, I thought it was OK when I wiped the memory card, there was a better one there honest This brake has three components, outer shape to fit the hole, middle section to give stiffness and allow air to bleed through the long slotted holes and a thicker front section that has the hinges and operating ram attachments on it After deciding that this will work when the shape is refined I made some (ten) outerpanel blanks The black you see isnt where the layers are apart, it is black marker pen on theinner face of the outer panel, put there for me to mark the holes out put them all together in the vice and cleaned them up and sized them up And squared them up Then I just have to clean up the hinge ends and free off the excess ready for slotting and also making the inner portions may not be doing much more for a day or two, the gaffer tells me she will be needing some help from me Maybe she has a visitor on the way? Is this a timely time to wish you ALL a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year? 'course it is! have good times folks Edited December 23, 2014 by perdu 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Have you thought about casting ? i.e. make one good one (well, 2, port & stbd then) then cast the remainder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 24, 2014 Author Share Posted December 24, 2014 Well yes It is probably not practical for me YET I have only done little casting jobs using do-it-yourself silicone rubber to make the moulds and plastic padding for the moulding material i should have picked up a casting kit from Telford And bent people's ears for know-how It will probably be good for my soul to knock out a few this way maybe b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 You should look into it - I was surprised at just how easy it was. I'm sure you would find yourself using it more and more with the amount of scratch building you do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) Should have put a casting kit on your christmas pressie list Bill ; I'm with Hendie on how surprisingly easy it is and how useful it is. That said you'd still have had to make a left and right airbrake original; you couldn't easily have moulded in the airbrake holes; so they'd have to be individually drilled out; and I 'spect the Perdu production line will soon be knocking out airbrakes at a prodigous rate of knots....... Can you still use the carved peg as a former to get the curve into the airbrakes? Tape one to the peg; dip it boiling water? Just trying to get you value for money from the peg work BTW. How did the plastic canopy masters stand up to the heat from the crash moulding? No crazing or deformation? How many attempts do you think they'll stand up to? Edited December 24, 2014 by Fritag 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 24, 2014 Author Share Posted December 24, 2014 You two will no doubt be right in that casting is a nettle I will need to grasp, but for now its a max of three pairs (unless I sells some later) for these three. My factory can cope with them Holes will be a problem as you say Steve but leaving indents to be cleared might work I have been using the 1.0mm screwdriver tip from a multitool set I picked up at Lidl t'other week to impress/punch em through in my blanks I may still be able to do that with the peg Steve, I might make an extra one to use as a test mule And the canopies are as good as I left them But I did have to alter their shapes to suit the real McCoys, no surface crazing yet and I expect to get a few more before I grasp the new buck mould problem to my bosom If? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 This is some impressive work. I admire your patience for building such a nasty kit! The improvements you've made will turn it into a winner I'm sure. I did make it myself around 6 months ago... Made it and then gave up! Here's a quick snap of my poor effort, I hope it will inspire you on to greater things! Dan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 24, 2014 Author Share Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) Ah so that's what the decal sheet would have been if I'd had one The Jag looks OK, soon sort that out with a lick of paint or two The model's a bit basic but accurate shape wise I reckon I'm happy to carry on with it hey nice big cutting mat, makes me feel a bit cheapo b Edited December 24, 2014 by perdu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geedubelyer Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Smashing work Bill and a thoroughly entertaining read. Happy Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSTON Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 VERY NICE INDEED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) Well Christmas is a coming and the... Oh yes, it isnt yet is it, kinda missed the buzz this time round I've been full of grade one, weapons strength lungy lurgy, so not much modelling has been going on I have I hope been partly responsible for introducing our new friend ascoteer to the party though so I claim five bonus house points please for keeping my eye on the ball When I closed the last piece I was fuddling about with new face panels for airbrakes, expecting to use about three sets on these builds I am sorta no further in with these I cut the ten slot holes in the outers using a small screwdriver as a punch Hmm, judgement reserved as yet so no Not yet photogenic enough So I had a think, slowly with additional incohal and decided to pop over to the T2 to get a small start on its decidedly 'odd' bits The airbrakes are just stunted lines deeply enmatchboxed in nearly the right place and nearly the right size So out they had to come ready for the usual parked Jaguar open brake doors so that vital services can be accessed by interested parties Unless they had more interesting parites inna mess last night With fuel on one side and the power dooberri on the nearside (for we left hand drive folks in GB) I have no pictures yet of the holes in the dense green Matchplastix, happily though I do have the holes Lots of sculpting to do when I feel more like a modeller again, at pres I am more like an ex-modeller on steroids because the doc says I need a short course of steroids to kill the weaknesses the bug has loaned to me It is only a loan, soon be back to norma... no I mean soon be better than NOW When I was getting a multiplicity of Jags in stock for the build I also collected a few Jagged bits from the aftermarketeers I got the Pavla seat that I couldnt see well enough to paint, thus having to butcher a perfectly good armchair and fettle it to winthin a ninch of its life, see pics a page or so ago Also got the etchy set from Airwaves (Hannants of course, without them and paypal I would be somewhat fettered these days) designed to suit the Hasegawa Jag And as an afterthought I bought the Pavla cockpit set too EEEEK resin Anyway razorsaw akimbo I got hacking off the cockpit moulding base (Hasegawa kit again, do these people not see there are other kits that would welcome some mollycoddling?) Now I had been planning to use it on....the Hasegawa one, naturlich but just on the orfcharnce I popped it into the Matchy body, just to see of course Hmm nice Not going to happen though, but it prompted a rare dash of 'modelling' I made a couple of flat sidewalls and plonked an over wide floor panel in then separated the floor to resize it, now I have a floor unit with the proper room for a nosewheel built in Which is a good job, 'cause I'd already popped a little hole in the wheelwell Not much else happened around her 'cept number one (and only) son bought his dad something useful for Chrimbo I show this for two purposes One I love my new eyes, at last I can see in fullwidescreen normality the models Im making two, a little boast. Do you see there, just below and left of my fantastic grandchildren, a bright red obtangular item, sat atop a MBB105 box? That Laydeees and Gennulmans is a 3" by 8" piece of unused, unFADED RAF Dayglo tape that didnt get attached to a JP3, Slingsby T21 or 31 or any other possible recipients in the early seventies I know I will never use it but I have it, it is mine, the man who said I can have it has left a certain military force and now it is impossible for him to be indicted And I found it on the floor and saved it from becoming FOD Oh yes and the unidentifiable man in the picture has no chance/risk of being identifed by an angry mob I shaved the fungus off yesterday, I was so full of cold it was uncomfortable Praise the lord for razor blades in other news I made some wheels for something else Edited January 3, 2015 by perdu 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 That picture... Didn't I see you in Bladerunner? "I just do eye's..." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) Them eyes Weird 'tis true but blimey they make a real difference but now I have to learn the art of materials handling whilst wearing them As certain retired but obviously still missing the excitement jet driver is missing a minor fix of Jaguarery, heres a bit A small bit Well several small bits to be fair 'cos I am making the products of three manufacturers all of the same basic machine it makes some sense to ensure the same bit of each airframe corresponds with 'the next one' so at points (like this) I'm working each one with its buddy Airbrakes and undercart seem like obvious places to start and we already know there is no 'matching set' on those so how about the underpinnings? Well not too promising either Airfix's main legs we saw earlier a blob on the side of the leg is supposed to be the shock absorbing ram and I cut those off ages ago as here And new upper brackets tacked on with a quick flash of the MIG welder Well I would have if they'd been a bit sturdier but this IS Airfix styrene so liquid poly followed up with a skinfilm of cyano to add STIFF New shockers cut out of polyrod with a fescalised bit carved out at the bottom (did I really fall for the old fescalised gag? dohhhhh) So having seen what a dogsbrekkie they made individually it seems I will have to build three lots of u/c to a similar standard I find that the Hasegawa leg and shockers, whilst different to the Airfix ones are still wrong and their shocker fits to the axle beam way too far down the beam and is skinny as twiggy (if you have to ask, well please make it a separate request or we'll be here after Steve finishes his first Hawk) Then I looks at the Matchbox legs... and draws deep on my can of sipping lager spluttering Airfix sqared for wrong shape and just a bit sad, this Matchbox is far closer to the Matchbox toy status than their delightful little Hawker Fury was Here are the Hasegawa and Matchbox sprues for your mutual entertainment As you see I havent started there yet I finished off with Airfix's main gear legs first New brackets up and behind the shocker brackets and a pair of retraction jacks also added fitted and awaiting the cyano strength through blocked up nose and joy treatment So, happy that I will have a reasonable looking setup I addressed the real pain in the sittupon situation The nose wheel legs None were right (of course) But one was righter than the others And one wasn't OK out of yer misery quickly tonight, it was Airfix that gave us the nearest to real unit, even moulding the studdy things the tow bar hooks on to Which I promptly broke off one side of mine, early doors none of them give us a forked nose leg, but they each make a poor fist of giving us a triangular lump we can modify Guesses? Airfix best again I have bifurcated the Airfix leg, the pleasure of doing the same with the others 'awaits' Good job I am NOT superdetailing these innit Matchbox left Airfix middle Hasegawa right White bit is repair to tow points The centre of the fork support strut is a hollow box of flanges that the fork hangs out of and the shocker drops down behind We have to open the front and make the cross beam for the towbar run across like this this is as far as the Airfix one needs to go for me except a few rods and brackets Haswegawa's is similar but less well done Matchbox? That will be for another day I fear (yes FEAR) nightly night Edited January 6, 2015 by perdu 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 nice detailing - looks like your new eyes are working! I couldn't do without my optivisor. I just bought a cheapy to see how I liked it and it's now the first thing I grab when I enter the modeling room. (The cheapy version has last me for over 18 months now and still going strong) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Some nice work going on here! I love seeing these old kits reworked. Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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