Ozzy Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I currently work at Middle Wallop, as I walked around today and went around a number of old building. I couldn't help wondering what is was like 75 years ago, the general hustle and bustle of life in 1940. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob G Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 (edited) They're 'einkles' Trevor Maybe, but they was flyin' Messerchmitts. (For them as knows the old joke.) Edited July 10, 2015 by Rob G 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonhoff Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Just purchased "Hawker Hurricane and Sea Hurricane " via Google Play as inspiration for my 1:24th Airfix build - Book includes colour plates and a large and very informative section on modelling the Hurricane in all scales by Tony O'Toole. Might be of use to some of you out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonhoff Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Question - I have Airfix's new tool Gladiator with the Irish Air Corps markings. While I can find no mention of them being scrambled to intercept any aircraft contravening the neutrality of Ireland during the BoB, it is mentioned that they had to be scrambled to deal with errant barrage ballons from the UK mainland on several occasions. Or is that too tenuous a link for me to build it while waiting for the paint to dry on the 1:24th Hurricane. IanJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Irish Aircorps Hurricanes were sent up to intercept aeroplanes of both sides in Eire air space during the BoB. But none were attacked and Eire was neutral during the war. They had no part to play in the Battle of Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREG DESTEC Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 An idea has been forming to createat an actual event and i was thiking of finding a RAF aircraft in position behind a luftwaffe bomber or fighter to make a dogfight double over the airfield. I think that 1/72 scale in the forground would work out well with the perspective. If any one can shed any light on a particular encounter over a named airfield that would help name the airfield as i think it will be easier to work backwards from the encounter. just going to look at my refrances and do some googling . Any ideas most welcom thanks in advance Aistair There was that Robert Taylor painting "Early Victory" which depicts a Hurricane shooting down a Ju 88 before he'd even tucked his wheels up?? Any good? I saw it in one of the Robert Taylor books i have at home. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyL Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 That's the Denys Gillam incident, as mentioned before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Irish Aircorps Hurricanes were sent up to intercept aeroplanes of both sides in Eire air space during the BoB. But none were attacked and Eire was neutral during the war. They had no part to play in the Battle of Britain. Yes, I'm afraid Black Knight is correct. The IAC Gladiator falls outside the scope of the GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREG DESTEC Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 There was that Robert Taylor painting "Early Victory" which depicts a Hurricane shooting down a Ju 88 before he'd even tucked his wheels up?? Any good? I saw it in one of the Robert Taylor books i have at home. Greg Sorry if this is duplication! Incident was over Speke Airfield near Liverpool, painting is "Fastest Victory" not Early Victory. The book doesn't say which squadron Gilliam was with aparently he was airbourne for about 6 minutes. Greg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyL Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 312 Squadron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonhoff Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Irish Aircorps Hurricanes were sent up to intercept aeroplanes of both sides in Eire air space during the BoB. But none were attacked and Eire was neutral during the war. They had no part to play in the Battle of Britain. Just to clarify from what I've been reading up on - The IAC had no Hurricanes at the start of the BoB but acquired 3 over the course of the campaign when the aircraft were interned after landing/force landing in Eire. P5178 is one example (Unless the book I'm referring to is wrong). More were then sold to the IAC by the RAF later on in the war. Yes, I'm afraid Black Knight is correct. The IAC Gladiator falls outside the scope of the GB. No worries - I'll find something else to do while the paint dries Thanks for your input guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mottlemaster Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 312 Squadron Sorry if this is duplication! Incident was over Speke Airfield near Liverpool, painting is "Fastest Victory" not Early Victory. The book doesn't say which squadron Gilliam was with aparently he was airbourne for about 6 minutes. Greg Thank you Greg and Andy for the info . This would make a very good subject as it is probably one of the most famous interceptions and would be very dynamic with the Hurricane still raising its wheels . The problam i have is that in the background of the picture are the White Cliffs of Dover and the Channel . Now can i pretend that the channel is the Mersey but those White cliffs just dont look correct so i'm going to keep looking for something with a good story in the home Counties . While doing some reading i have come across the system of airfield defence used at Hawkinge involving a PAC ...parachute and cable defence system . From reading my copy of BofB Then and now on August 8th around 1.22pm a Do17z was brought down by this device My copy of Luftwaffe Crash Archive vol 2 has F1 +HT being shot down by ground defences at 13.20 . Could this be the aircraft destryed by the PAC system I may try to position an Airfix Do17 being hit by the cable as it crosses Hawkinge airfield,. I realise that its still a long way from the White Cliffs but alot closer than Liverpool. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Slight topic drift, but L1547 which was the first production Hurricane crashed into the Mersey just short of the runway whilst based there. The wreck was visible at low tide for many years. Back to your scheduled programme... Trevor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eludia Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 (edited) While doing some reading i have come across the system of airfield defence used at Hawkinge involving a PAC ...parachute and cable defence system . From reading my copy of BofB Then and now on August 8th around 1.22pm a Do17z was brought down by this device I was intrigued by this defence system so I did a quick search myself and unearthed this story about a Dornier brought down at Kenley on the 18th August: http://spitfiresite.com/2010/08/battle-of-britain-1940-kenley-raid-parachute-cable.html There is mention in the article that this was the only aircraft ever brought down by the system, dunno how true this is. Just read the comments on the story and apparently there was another a/c brought down by the system at RAF Watton (coincidentally a regular haunt of mine for work) in Feb 1941. So just goes to prove that you shouldn't believe everything you read on t'interweb (Ironic really as I just read that on t'interweb ) Edited July 10, 2015 by Eludia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeardedOne Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 That's interesting, Mottlemaster. I was thinking of scratch-building a PAC launcher as a side project to a Kenley-based hurricane. I only knew of one success with the PAC at Kenley during a surprise low level raid on 18th August 1940 when a PAC system helped drag down a Do17z. I couldn't find any pictures of it and I was using the rather primitive depiction on the info boards at Kenley itself as a guide. It's nice to know it might be more than just a one-shot wonder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob85 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Maybe, but they was flyin' Messerchmitts. (For them as knows the old joke.) Best joke my dad ever told me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mottlemaster Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I was intrigued by this defence system so I did a quick search myself and unearthed this story about a Dornier brought down at Kenley on the 18th August: http://spitfiresite.com/2010/08/battle-of-britain-1940-kenley-raid-parachute-cable.html There is mention in the article that this was the only aircraft ever brought down by the system, dunno how true this is. Just read the comments on the story and apparently there was another a/c brought down by the system at RAF Watton (coincidentally a regular haunt of mine for work) in Feb 1941. So just goes to prove that you shouldn't believe everything you read on t'interweb (Ironic really as I just read that on t'interweb ) That's interesting, Mottlemaster. I was thinking of scratch-building a PAC launcher as a side project to a Kenley-based hurricane. I only knew of one success with the PAC at Kenley during a surprise low level raid on 18th August 1940 when a PAC system helped drag down a Do17z. I couldn't find any pictures of it and I was using the rather primitive depiction on the info boards at Kenley itself as a guide. It's nice to know it might be more than just a one-shot wonder. My mistake it is the 18thAug ust so we are talking about the same plane (probably) . The only description iv found is that the PAC consisted of a rocket attached to a wire stored in a drum. had a range of about 400 ft . the Rockets were gouped in batches of nine and produced a curtane of sttel wire, Do you think that F1 +HT fits the bill as being the vivtim ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Some info on PAC Launcher here: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=qaddw5Z8MoUC&pg=PA14&lpg=PA14&dq=parachute+%26+cable+launcher&source=bl&ots=PmG8T2QZ-t&sig=_gxslSn-bERqV-BtxXwC73ueuqU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5RegVcfEBoH67Aa47qAI&ved=0CFIQ6AEwCg#v=onepage&q=parachute%20%26%20cable%20launcher&f=false Possible pics here: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/weapons-systems-tech-/british-battery-anti-aircraft-rockets-36187.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Moff Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 tempted by this GB although i am normally a more 50s- to now kinda man, mainly fast jets! As there is a real historical buzz about the GB and plenty of time, I was thinking the new tool Airfix HE111 (may have to wait as pre-order for 8 Aug!) http://www.airfix.com/uk-en/heinkel-he-iii-p2.html These decals for G1+JL from KG55 (last plane): http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/X72220 This reference seems to confirm it flew in the battle: http://www.casematepublishing.com/title.php?isbn=9788362878055 And cos they will have to be on the boys ceiling in a dog fight, maybe a new tool Hurricane - With obviously Douglas Bader flying V7467 LE-D 242 Sqn - my question is does the wing type in the kit tally with DB's airframe?: Kit http://www.airfix.com/uk-en/hawker-hurricane-mki-1-72-a01010.html Decals http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/X72222 http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/PSL72065http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/PSL72065 Advice greatly received! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonhoff Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 (edited) The PAC launcher was mentioned in Alfred Price's "August 18th, The Hardest Day" but I fear Mrs B may have binned the book when I moved in. Might be wrong but I thought I read in that epic work that the DO17 was brought down at Kenley on the 18th August during a low level attack. Edit - Mottlemaster and Eludia seem to have covered all the major points - I should pay more attention :-) Will make for an interesting model nonetheless. 3 hours and counting..... Edited July 10, 2015 by Bonhoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 my question is does the wing type in the kit tally with DB's airframe?: No, sadly it doesn't. The Airfix kit is a fabric winged aircraft. You will need to find a kit with a metal wing - this means pretty much every 1/72 Hurricane Mk1 kit except the new tool Airfix kit! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_c67 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 25 years old corn flakes... No chance of seeing the model planes that accompanied that promotion? V-P Hmmmm, let me have a root around. Have a feeling I've still got them somewhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyL Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Slight topic drift, but L1547 which was the first production Hurricane crashed into the Mersey just short of the runway whilst based there. The wreck was visible at low tide for many years. Back to your scheduled programme... Trevor And here is L1547... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Alfred Price has quite a lengthy section on that particular raid which, if I remember correctly, was formed of nine Do 17s which mounted a low level attack against the airfield. Must dig it out; I have a copy somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew Dapple Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Yes, 'The Hardest Day' by Dr Alfred Price has a very detailed description of the low-level raid on Kenley by the 9 Do17s of 9/KG76 who specialised in low-level attacks - it inspired me to build one of them, Hptm Roth's F1+DT from the Airfix kit, here Cheers, Stew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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