Jaguar main gear doors

[Fritag]

Will be will be looking forward your builds on that, have both the Hasagawa GR1 & T2 in the stash, not in the same box though. GR1 will be converted to XX765 the ACT Jag and the T2 will be XX145 Both raspberry rippled (I like bright colours). Have the AirDecal sheet for the T2 and the Combat conversions Set and decals for the Single seater.

Just had a quick flick through the Jaguar book, your 4 ship piccy doesnt seem to be in there.

T Bird does look good in raspberry ripple.

Picked up a copy of that Jaguar reference - has some good close-up shots. Wonder of the 1:72 plans are accurate?

The young Fritag does sneak in on page 47, flying EK over Coltishall.

Taken at the end of that 4-ship sortie when all the other had run out of fuel and landed.

Seeing as I wos leading I made sure that i had the jet with 2 tanks - one had 8 x 1,000lbers and no external tanks - he didn't stay airborne long - and the other two had a single centreline tank and tandem beams on the inner pylons (the standard cold war-fit at the time).

Course it'd be pretty dim to take a jag to war with a centreline LGB and 2 underwing Sidewinders and no ACM pod or Phimat......But photographic needs must.....

[perdu]

Blimey we seem to have a start here, but...

I think I am going for a RAFG GR1 (for a start, can allus buy another later if I decide to go light grey)

I've started the drafting work for the flare and chaff pods under the GR3 tailends

I wonder if this will work? Flickr for a change

My decision time JAG CAB or CIVIL?

Decided JAG

Had the Pavla seat arrive too, not entirely sure...

Edited December 7, 2014 by perdu

[Fritag]

Not having to get all the switches exactly right won't worry me either Steve (yes I expect you will see this)

Now that is a very fair call Bill - Quite right too.....

It's a dangerous thing have a bit of knowledge about a jet. And I only have a bit - the proper experts are the engineers (as their various posts on this thread have already shown )

I will follow and enjoy your build of a Jag whether it's just a bit of fun for you - or a full-on Scouty build - and whether you care to make it mod state accurate in time and place or not

So you must let me know if you want to know what sort of mod state etc your choice of jag would probably have been in or not - and you can rest assured that as an ex-driver I only know about the ones that made it look or go significantly different! The more technical ones passed me by.........

Edited December 8, 2014 by Fritag

[12jaguar]

If it's an RAFG GR1, then no hinged tailcone, no overwing pylons,(probably) no chuff and fluff dispensers on the engine doors, early bang seat and being fitted with NAVWASS a pretty bare cockpit glareshield.

John

[perdu]

Cheers John and Steve, I don't intend making chaff and flare dispensers for this one, but there will be other to follow, no doubt

i'm doing the RAFG one just because I have Modeldecals for it and my 50p kit came without any

A GR1 from Gulf War 1 is tempting too but as yet I don't have enough knowlege to get into that for now

And then there's the grey I like on GRlaters

I could be some time...

Steve, no overwings, I knew that

[perdu]

Just discovered I don't have the skills to paint raised detail seatbelts on a Pavla seat, so off they jolly well came

John does the seat in the Pavla set represent 'early' or 'late'

Cuut off the straps and begun building the seat I see on my pooter screen (don't worry, I'm trying to get my mojo wired up and running so I can sort out a build thread Mike) this is simply a preamble...

Presuming this green 'canvas type panel' is part of the chute rather than just a seating comfort thingy, I have the etch (oh ho ) Airwaves straps to use now the moulded on stuff is history. In this vein there's a greyish panel on the straps that seems to carry the quick release doofer, is that chute rather than seat kit? I need to add it to the Airwaves strap I think.

Anyway, next message will be in W.I.P

Edited December 11, 2014 by perdu

[12jaguar]

Can't really tell from the pics, but seat headbox shape/size is covered here http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234969059-bac-jaguar-ejection-seats-mb-mk-9-changeover-dates/ which also has some links to the BM walkround area which allegedly has pics of both types of seat

Hope that helps

John

[perdu]

Thank you John. That's very helpful.

bill

[Fritag]

Here's a somewhat second-hand early mark 9 seat Bill.

A Germany GR1 will have this headbox; albeit with the gubbins all in situ...

Edited December 12, 2014 by Fritag

[perdu]

he he (ish)

you really ought to take more care of your upholstery Steve, leaving chairs scattered all over Northern England is a bit untidy

I did save that one the last time it came up

If that is the head box I need that's what I will make the Pavla top look like ish

Did it have long straps or short ones?

Is there a canvas top section with a drogue chute tucked away tidy like or is it just a black upper surface?

So many questions...

Thanks for this

[Fritag]

I did save that one the last time it came up

Did it have long straps or short ones?

Is there a canvas top section with a drogue chute tucked away tidy like or is it just a black upper surface?

Ah. I wondered why I already had that piccie on photo bucket

I don't remember the straps ever changing in my time - didn't know they had changed - I guess it must therefore have been the long ones?

I believe there is a canvas top section covering the drogue chute and - under the top shackle. I think you can see the open canvas cover peeking out the top of the head box in the piccie Bill.

[Selwyn]

Ah. I wondered why I already had that piccie on photo bucket

I don't remember the straps ever changing in my time - didn't know they had changed - I guess it must therefore have been the long ones?

I believe there is a canvas top section covering the drogue chute and - under the top shackle. I think you can see the open canvas cover peeking out the top of the head box in the piccie Bill.

The Duplex drogue chutes were both located in the headbox under a green canvas cover. They were attached to the seat structure by the scissor shackle on top of the cover. the parachute release line was routed through the slot down the centre of the headrest pad, and through a guillotine that was situated on the very top of the seat pan ( right behind the nape of the pilots neck when he was sat in the seat) and then into the parachute pack that formed the backrest.

I worked on Mk 9 seats fitted to Harrier GR3 and T2/4 and the short straps were replaced in 1981, I assume that the same date of change would apply to the Jaguar, (Probably Just a bit before Fritags time?).

There were detail differences between the Jaguar and Harrier MK 9 installation, mainly to do with the shape of the canopy breakers on the headbox, Certainly the Harrier GR3 seat and T bird front seat had different part numbers, and the T bird rear seat was different again. The main change I noted was the Pilots Equipment Connector (PEC) on the Harrier, it was situated on the R/H side of the seat pan near the pilots hip, on the jaguar it was on the other (L/H) side and located higher up on the seat pan.

Selwyn

[Fritag]

I worked on Mk 9 seats fitted to Harrier GR3 and T2/4 and the short straps were replaced in 1981, I assume that the same date of change would apply to the Jaguar, (Probably Just a bit before Fritags time?).

Selwyn

Ah - yes - that explains it. 1984 I started on the Jag.

I don't know the exact timing of the change of head box save that there was a mixture of the two for a while whilst I was on the jag - but I do remember that the release line nearly failed on the seat in the photo as a result of fire/heat damage (noted in the accident report). That was October 1985 and I don't now remember whether or not that was instrumental in or coincidental to the head box change.

[perdu]

Thanks guys

I will try to get the seats right so please do keep me on the straight and narrow

Four seats to do, two singletons and the T-bird so you will be kept on your toes keeping me on mine

b