dhdove Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 Hi all I'm currently on with this build, but want to scratch build or otherwise replicate the Bullpup guidance pod. I'm finding any sources very limited and really don't have much idea re size or shape..... ...can anyone help please? Best TonyS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave A Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 There's a whole thread here: http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234914499-fj-4-fury/ There's an AMS resin version you can google up pics of for comparison... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhdove Posted November 29, 2014 Author Share Posted November 29, 2014 Thanks for that lead Dave AMS pod doesn't seem to be available anymore but I have emailed them asking for some info. TonyS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Tony I don't know if this helps any? Two drawings from the Sea Vixen AP of the Bull Pup pod John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhdove Posted November 29, 2014 Author Share Posted November 29, 2014 John That's great! Superb pics. Interestingly I've just been looking at the Hasegawa Weapons Kit B shown nicely here.... http://www.andysmodels.me.uk/models/HS_Weapons_48.htm This includes four Aim12's but no pod......weird. It was not possible to launch these weapons without the pod, why are manufacturers ignorant of this? TonyS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReccePhreak Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 This includes four Aim12's but no pod......weird. It was not possible to launch these weapons without the pod, why are manufacturers ignorant of this? TonyS I have never seen a picture of any Bullpup-carrying AF fighter or attack aircraft that needed a pod to launch them. They probably had the needed electronics installed in the plane. Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVi Tophatter Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 ... Hasegawa Weapons Kit B... This includes four Aim12's but no pod......weird. It was not possible to launch these weapons without the pod, why are manufacturers ignorant of this? TonyS Tony, it absolutely was possible to launch the AGM-12 Bullpup without the radio guidance pod. The AGM-12 was used with limited success in Vietnam by a plethora of aircraft, even some specially modified helicopters. The radio guidance hardware could be installed within the airframes of a given aircraft. This rather poor photograph of an operational A-4C Skyhawk (I think it's an A-4C), it shows x2 AGM-45 Shrike, x2 AGM-12 Bullpup missiles and a centreline drop-tank, no guidance pod... Another photo showing an A-4F Skyhawk launching one... There is no ignorance with regards to the contents of the Hasegawa weapons set (and others), it's more that Hobby Boss should have tooled the radio guidance pod themselves for their FJ-4 kit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReccePhreak Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Hobby Boss should have tooled the radio guidance pod themselves for their FJ-4 kit... That's a joke, expecting Hobby Booboo (or Trumpy for that matter) to properly research their models. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhdove Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 (edited) My apologies, I didn't express myself clearly. I believe that a conscious decision was made specifically with the FJ-4B Fury NOT to instal the Bullpup guidance equipment inside the fuselage because of the excessive weight in what was after all a fighter aircraft, which it would have to carry at all times on all mission profiles. I don't know if available space within the airframe also played a part in this. Consequently the FJ-4B had the guidance pod fitted underwing for AGM-12 ground attack missions allowing the missile to be guided onto it's target but also for the guidance pod to be removed for other mission profiles. Here's one source..... "The FJ-4B was equipped to deliver the Martin ASM-N-7 Bullpup air-to-surface guided missile. The Bullpup was an eleven-foot long missile driven by an Aerojet General solid rocket motor. Total weight of the missile was 571 pounds and it was equipped with a 250-pound high explosive warhead. Maximum speed of the Bullpup was about Mach 1.7 and its effective range was in excess of four miles. Up to five Bullpups could be carried underwing on the FJ-4B, with the starboard inner station (#4) carrying a guidance transmitter pod. The Bullpup was redesignated AGM-12B in 1962." http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/p86_24.html Some other aircraft did carry the equipment internally, so the Weapons Set B is OK for them. If Hasegawa wasn't making a Fury there would be no need for it for it to accompany their kits. Yes, I agree completely, it's HobbyBoss's mistake not to include the pod! And of course, my mistake! AGM-12 not AIM-12, please forgive that one! I don't think it was ever employed as an airborne interceptor missile, but then, who knows.......maybe it was!!! In other news the AMS resin guidance pod is back in production this week (yay!) and will be available at the weekend, my order has already gone in! I've just started painting the airframe so dependent upon the transatlantic Xmas post hopefully it will all come together before Xmas. Thanks so much for your input, it is appreciated. Sorry if I was a bit vague. Best Regards TonyS Edited December 2, 2014 by dhdove 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhdove Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 (edited) Thanks for all your help, here's the pod attached to the completed aircraft.....fins are scratch built from plasticard using an enclosed template. More in "ready for inspection" TonyS Edited December 14, 2014 by dhdove 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave A Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Nice job! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 This rather poor photograph of an operational A-4C Skyhawk (I think it's an A-4C), it shows x2 AGM-45 Shrike, x2 AGM-12 Bullpup missiles and a centreline drop-tank, no guidance pod... It's an A-4E; the C model only had a single pylon under each wing. Regards, murph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don McIntyre Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 The P-3 could carry the AGM-12, but other than the needed antenna, all the components were internal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Womby Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 On 11/29/2014 at 3:47 AM, canberra kid said: Tony I don't know if this helps any? Two drawings from the Sea Vixen AP of the Bull Pup pod John John, do you have anything showing the profile and/or dimensions of this pod, please? David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 8 hours ago, David Womby said: John, do you have anything showing the profile and/or dimensions of this pod, please? David Hi David I don't think it has anything but I'll look. I think the Phantom and Buccaneer AP's have Bull Pup info I'll have a look. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Womby Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 On 4/2/2021 at 3:34 AM, canberra kid said: Hi David I don't think it has anything but I'll look. I think the Phantom and Buccaneer AP's have Bull Pup info I'll have a look. John John, Sorry to bother you but do you have pages showing how the Bullpup was fitted to the Sea Vixen pylon? Was there an added launch rail? David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 2 hours ago, David Womby said: John, Sorry to bother you but do you have pages showing how the Bullpup was fitted to the Sea Vixen pylon? Was there an added launch rail? David No problems David, this is all ld find in the IPC, I hope it helps? John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scimitar F1 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 If you can find one the Pod is in the Grand Phoenix kit. Will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Womby Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, Scimitar F1 said: If you can find one the Pod is in the Grand Phoenix kit. Will Thanks but I'm doing 1/72 so I have scratch built a pod based on John's drawings and the Rareplanes Fury mould. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Womby Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 20 minutes ago, canberra kid said: No problems David, this is all ld find in the IPC, I hope it helps? John Thank you, John. It doesn't seem much different from the standard pylon to me. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 9 minutes ago, David Womby said: Thank you, John. It doesn't seem much different from the standard pylon to me. David I think so David, the one in the top drawing looks like an adaptor for the pylon to missile? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Womby Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 John, I think the second diagram you found shows the pylon complete and the lowest part sits up, recessed, inside the bottom of the pylon. Here's a pic I found of a Bullpup mounted. The pylon looks pretty standard, IMHO, but longer than the other two. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 17 minutes ago, David Womby said: John, I think the second diagram you found shows the pylon complete and the lowest part sits up, recessed, inside the bottom of the pylon. Here's a pic I found of a Bullpup mounted. The pylon looks pretty standard, IMHO, but longer than the other two. David Agreed David, this must be the adaptor added to the bottom of the pylon? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Womby Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 I suppose it must but the result looks very uniform. No obvious place where the adapter and the main pylon join so I won't worry too much about it. I'll just try to get the length and overall shape about right. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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