Early war German maritime air queries

[oldgit]

Chaps,

I have some questions regarding the maritime air element of the Luftwaffe and possibly Kriegsmarine during 1940 which I hope someone, perhaps some of our forum ‘experten’ might kindly respond to. Can anyone please help with the following?

Early Focke-Wulf Condor

Could anyone kindly help me with details regarding the Fw200C-1 please? The C-1 seems to be a very elusive bird and whereas there are numerous general photos and 3 views, I’ve never seen any of the detail info I’m looking for, anywhere. Has anyone got any pictorial detail of the defensive gun mountings, particularly the forward dorsal and rear ventral?

Could anyone kindly advise what changes I would need to do to the Revell 04678 kit, apart from the obvious changes to the upper dorsal turret? Engines perhaps?

Dornier Do24 during the Battle of Britain

The limited information I have been able to find regarding the Dornier 24 rescue aircraft during the battle seems to suggest that there were only a handful aircraft operational during the July – October 1940, taken over from the Dutch and that one of them may have been shot down during that period.

I understand that the first was the unarmed ex Dutch Do.24N re-registered D-AEAV, soon followed by re-registered D-APDA, both being delivered to Seenotflugkommando 1 in July 1940. Both were initially white overall, with Geneva red cross and civil registrations, although I think D-APDA may later have been armed and then camouflaged. Can anyone help with possible codes used by other Seenot 1 Dorniers? Also, might anyone be able to shine any light on the possible combat loss of one such machine during the Battle of Britain? From a modelling point of view, are there any significant changes between the Do.24N & Do24.T?

Seenotdienst Breguet Br.521 Bizerte

Does anyone have any information regarding the ex French Breguet Br.521 flying-boats used by the German Seenotdienst in 1940, particularly regarding colours and markings? Has a 1/72^nd kit ever been produced of the Br.521?

Luftwaffe/Kriegsmarine coastal air patrol during the Battle of Britain

From looking at ‘Battle over Britain’ by F.K. Mason and my long treasured first edition of ‘Battle of Britain – Then & Now’ by W.G. Ramsey, it seems that the Luftwaffe flew regular coastal patrols using a variety of He115, Do18, Ar196 and other aircraft. Can anyone confirm, please, if the He60, He114 or Ju52 floatplanes were used in any numbers, and if so, by which Gruppe? Also, were the crews of all these seaplanes Luftwaffe, Kriegsmarine or a mix?

Thanks everyone,

Tim

[brewerjerry]

Hi

A couple of links

Worth exploring this site

http://www.dornier24.com

DO-24 codes

http://www.dornier24.com/pages/registrations.html#Germany

This is a good book to find or library loan

http://www.abebooks.com/Luftwaffe-Seaplanes-1939-1945-Illustrated-History-Chris/6340635213/bd

Thread on br 521

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=12791

Cheers

Jerry

Edited November 25, 2014 by brewerjerry

[old thumper]

The He 59 was also used, I know these aircraft were used very early war for patrol and torpedo carrying duties and later for air-sea rescue during the Battle of Britain. I also remember reading that the He 59 was the only German torpedo equipped aircraft until a torpedo armed version of the He 111 was introduced and that the He59 launched the first aerial torpedo to sink a ship during WW2, which I think was some kind of small British steamer.

[Rich G]

Tim,

I believe that they also used captured dutch Fokker T VIII floatplanes but only on a limited basis.

Rich

[JackG]

This might help concerning questions of Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine control of air units:

http://www.feldgrau.com/articles.php?ID=37

regards,

Jack

[FalkeEins]

a small piece on the Breguet and an indispensable book reference at the link below. The first Do 24 N to enter service with the Seenotdienst was the former X-38, which carried the registration D-AEAV as you state. The Do 24 N-1 D-APDA was based on Norderney. Formerly the Dutch Naval Air arm’s X-39, this aircraft was lost on 17 August 1940 attempting to rescue a downed He 111 crew..During September 1940 Dornier 24 KD+GE (WNr. 005) was assigned to 1. Seenotstaffel, which had four machines of this type on strength. Based at Poulmic and Hourtin in Brittany this Staffel flew seventeen successful rescue missions during the month

http://falkeeins.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/luftwaffe-seaplanes-vol-3-roba-neulen.html

Edited November 26, 2014 by FalkeEins

[tempestfan]

On the Bizerte, there was an article in (either Flugzeug or) Jet & Prop, both German mags, possibly around 1991 or so. Sorry, not very specific, I know...

[oldgit]

Chaps,

I'm very grateful for your informative responses and for the links.

I've continued doing some digging and for those with an interest in the subject, I found some

very useful detail photos of the FW200 Condor exterior, interior & armament here:

http://mundosgm.com/ano-2008/focke-wulf-fw-200-'condor'

The pics are self explanatory but for the rest, you may need an online translator!

It's a superb Fw200 reference.

Thanks again,

Tim

[JWM]

Hi,

There was a book on FW200 Condor by Jerry Scutts, issued as "Warpaint Series No. 13". There are many interesting photos and drawings by Collin Brooks - but only for C3 and C4 variants. I made once W 200 C2, but I based the conversion (from old mould of Revell, 1/72) on anlyses of photos and profiles. Unfortunately there is no early C0-C2 upper turret (rather gun position, since it is not turning) in those drawings.

Regards

Jerzy-Wojtek