dogsbody Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Sosezi said: I plan to make one too Brilliant Job!! There are some pictures of SAAF Ju86's here: https://biltongbru.wixsite.com/ww2-saaf-heritage/photo-albums. I also have this booklet that has some profile drawings in it. I could scan them, if you're interested. Chris 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyot Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 Excellent job JW,....... love it! I have one planned too but cannot decide between doing it like yourself in the earlier overall green scheme or going for one with the lighter undersides, which I presume were blue. I quite like them in the original silver too with SAA trim and SAAF markings! As always,..... a very interesting model mate, Cheers Tony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh G Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 love it; I'd love to do one of these in 1/48; you can read about them in SAAF service in Dust Clouds over the Middle East by Christopher Shores 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted April 14, 2019 Author Share Posted April 14, 2019 Gents, thank you for comments. Meanwile I have found my mistake in this model, Relatively easy to correct - there were two rows of bombs, not a single one. I've bumped on photo demonstranting it... I have to make this correction.... Regards J-W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 For those who may be interested, here are some profiles from the book I mentioned above. Chris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted April 14, 2019 Author Share Posted April 14, 2019 (edited) Chris, many thanks for supplementary data! Interesting that bombs are presented grey with yellow tails, not all-over yellow. Here: http://saafww2pilots.yolasite.com/eric-johnson-photographs.php if you scroll down there is nice photo of SAAF Ju-52 with other then typical engines. And a lot pf P40s... Regards J-W Edited April 15, 2019 by JWM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orso Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 I guess that it is one of the South African Airways Ju52 with the same engine setup as the Swedish AB Aerotransport planes. Nice Ju86. I have been thinking of modelling a SAAF Ju86 for a while. This is the first time I've seen it modelled. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 26 minutes ago, JWM said: Chris, many thanks for supplementary data! Interesting that bombs are presented grey with yellow tails, not all-over yellow. Here: http://saafww2pilots.yolasite.com/eric-johnson-photographs.php if you scroll down there is nice photo of SAAF Ju-52 with other then typical engines. An a lot pf P40s... Regards J-W I believe the yellow was a pre-war colour. Later it was Bronze Green. In the field, you used whatever was at hand. 20 minutes ago, Orso said: I guess that it is one of the South African Airways Ju52 with the same engine setup as the Swedish AB Aerotransport planes. Nice Ju86. I have been thinking of modelling a SAAF Ju86 for a while. This is the first time I've seen it modelled. I have an old IPMS/US magazine article that shows how to convert the Italeri kit into an SAAF bomber. Chris 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted April 15, 2019 Author Share Posted April 15, 2019 10 hours ago, Orso said: I guess that it is one of the South African Airways Ju52 with the same engine setup as the Swedish AB Aerotransport planes. Nice Ju86. I have been thinking of modelling a SAAF Ju86 for a while. This is the first time I've seen it modelled. Thank you Bjorn. Regarding Ju-52 it look to me like some double row engine, most likely US one. Do you know what it was exactly? Thank you for coment on Ju 86. It is rather small converison and I think Italeri even issued it as a kind of short series kit in last few years... (but on Scalemates acheme here it is not shown https://www.scalemates.com/kits/italeri-029-junkers-ju-86--134723 ). Cheers J-W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 According to an exert on google books, the repowered Ju52/3ms were powered P & W Hornet motors. It reads as though this was a factory installation & at the same time they had their wing motors straightened up. A good photo of the engines here. Steve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orso Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 One of the Swedish planes: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ABA's_Ju_52.jpg .The Swedish planes had P&W Wasp engines 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Nice photo, according to the google books link above, the SAAF & Swedish Ju52s were the only ones to have the wing motors made straight. I think that shows in your photo. Steve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted April 15, 2019 Author Share Posted April 15, 2019 Thanks for info in Ju-52. I have found nice take Looks a bit like a son of "tante Ju" (aunt Ju) with Savoia Pipestrello as father Regards J-W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) The Hornets did give a different look to them. That photo would make a nice model subject but the Hornets might be a stumbling block. Having said that I went looking for 1/72 Hornets but of course the BMW 132 which the Ju 52 had normally was a development from the Hornet so I'm wondering if these aircraft had the R-1535 twin Wasp junior, which would have been the right horsepower & slightly smaller diameter than the Hornet/132. I don't have a Ju 52 reference which would go into that detail. Steve Edited April 15, 2019 by stevehnz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted April 15, 2019 Author Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 hour ago, stevehnz said: I'm wondering if these aircraft had the R-1535 twin Wasp junior, which would have been the right horsepower & slightly smaller diameter than the Hornet/132. I don't have a Ju 52 reference which would go into that detail. I have found here:http://www.hugojunkers.bplaced.net/junkers-ju52.html such variants (among many others): Ju52/3mci was a planned version for Sweden with Wasp engines, not built Ju52/3mde, seaplane version, converted from Ju52/1m, Bolivia and Colombia Ju52/3mfe, traffic version of LH with BMW132A3, NACA-cowlings, single part fuselage, about a dozen built in 1933 Ju52/3mnai, traffic version with P&W Wasp for Sweden and Great Britan Ju52/3msai, traffic version with P&W Wasp for Sweden and South America BTW on long list of types in link above there is no info of Polish "Lot" machine equipped with Bristol Pegasus VI engines! Regards J-W 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosezi Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 On 14/04/2019 at 09:20, dogsbody said: There are some pictures of SAAF Ju86's here: https://biltongbru.wixsite.com/ww2-saaf-heritage/photo-albums. I also have this booklet that has some profile drawings in it. I could scan them, if you're interested. Chris I'm VERY Interested so please scan them Cheers!! Andrey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted April 17, 2019 Author Share Posted April 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Sosezi said: I'm VERY Interested so please scan them Cheers!! Andrey Me too JWM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 The Ju86 scans above or the Ju52 profiles, that are yet to be scanned? Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orso Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 On 4/16/2019 at 12:47 AM, JWM said: I have found here:http://www.hugojunkers.bplaced.net/junkers-ju52.html such variants (among many others): Ju52/3mci was a planned version for Sweden with Wasp engines, not built Ju52/3mde, seaplane version, converted from Ju52/1m, Bolivia and Colombia Ju52/3mfe, traffic version of LH with BMW132A3, NACA-cowlings, single part fuselage, about a dozen built in 1933 Ju52/3mnai, traffic version with P&W Wasp for Sweden and Great Britan Ju52/3msai, traffic version with P&W Wasp for Sweden and South America BTW on long list of types in link above there is no info of Polish "Lot" machine equipped with Bristol Pegasus VI engines! Regards J-W In a list of Swedish aircraft's I have this: #4017 SE-ADR 3m ci #5440 SE-AER 3m nai sold to England #5518 SE-AES 3m nai sold to England #5614 SE-AFA 3m nai/ge #5620 SE-AFB 3m nai/ge #5633 SE-AFC 3m nai/ge #5646 SE-AFD 3m sai This contradicts that the mci was not built. SE-AFA/B/C was delivered with the standard Junkers wings with BMW engines but later got new wings with the parallell mounted P&W engines. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted April 18, 2019 Author Share Posted April 18, 2019 8 hours ago, dogsbody said: The Ju86 scans above or the Ju52 profiles, that are yet to be scanned? Chris Yeh! The SAAF Ju 52 will be a great pair to Ju 86.... Shall I PM my e-mail address or you will go with it to forum? Cheers J-W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosezi Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 3 hours ago, JWM said: Yeh! The SAAF Ju 52 will be a great pair to Ju 86.... Shall I PM my e-mail address or you will go with it to forum? Cheers J-W It's up to you mate SAAF Ju-86 is brilliant topic to me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 7 hours ago, JWM said: Yeh! The SAAF Ju 52 will be a great pair to Ju 86.... Shall I PM my e-mail address or you will go with it to forum? Cheers J-W I can post them here. Chris 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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