nheather Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Deleted - not the wanted area and the 100 post rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Hi Nigel well, it helps to know the swastika dimension, and type. You might want to use the 'full editor' facilty and edit the subject heading. alternately, do a non-German scheme, they were also used by Bulgaria, Finland and Romania, and captured ones by the Norwegians http://falkeeins.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/admiral-hipper-arado-ar-196-lost-during.html and Soviets found this online http://petersplanes.com/avions/ar196/ar196.htm or even British... Arado AR 196. Air Ministry 192. I didn't know the Finns used them so that was worth looking up cheers T 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nheather Posted October 19, 2014 Author Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) I'm by no means a historian and I'm not too bothered if it isn't 100% accurate. All the photos I have seen (including real archive ones) have been like this I'll have to work out what dimension that would be in 1/32. Should be fairly easy to work at as the diagonal seems to be about the width of the rudder. Will get the kit out and measure. Cheers, Nigel Edited October 19, 2014 by nheather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean_M Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 It's is against the law in Germany to display or sell the Swastika on anything. Some kits break the image up into 2 pieces. Haunts have a sheet that has various types and sizes. Tamiya had then in box on the 190A-3, but Airfix 109F I did did not. When movies are filmed there a specific certificate must be applied for. I am told that was the case in Tom Cruise move (??? mind gone blank) Bombing Plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Always thought this kit could do with some good aftermarket am decals. Nowt wrong with the kit ones just looking for variety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangle Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 My husband is building this kit. 'Arado 196 All models' by 'Top Drawings' has swastikas, instrument panel decals and a selection of schemes in 72nd, 48th and 32nd. It also has 32nd scale drawings. It's only drawback is the lack of photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangle Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Here's a photo of the swastikas and instrument panel decals you get with the booklet:- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nheather Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) Here's a photo of the swastikas and instrument panel decals you get with the booklet:- Thanks for the info. Could you do be a favour? Would you measure the length of the side of the 1:32 swastika? - Measuring along the length of the join for example. I'm expecting it to be around 11-12mm from the guesswork I have done. Many thanks, Nigel Edited October 21, 2014 by nheather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don McIntyre Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) Maybe take a look at Ju 87 or Bf 109 (maybe even Ju 52, Ju 88 or He 111) aftermarket decal sheets. There are plenty available and some can be had pretty cheaply. I also remember seeing a chart somewhere that had swastika sizes (full size in mm) listed for different aircraft, but can't remember where it was... Edited October 21, 2014 by Don McIntyre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I have that reference, it comes with Model Decal sheets. Wot do you want to know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifer54 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 If it helps, according to the info sheet in my Xtradecal 1/72 swastikas decal sheet, Ar196s used a 430mm Hakenkreuz . . . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nheather Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) If it helps, according to the info sheet in my Xtradecal 1/72 swastikas decal sheet, Ar196s used a 430mm Hakenkreuz . . .Many thanks. If I have my maths right, that would make them 19mm across the diagonal for 1:32 which seems to be on the large side against the kit rudder compared with archive photos.Hang on though, just googled Hakenkreuz and that is the red rectangle, white circle, plain black swastika. Like this one Cheers, Nigel Edited October 21, 2014 by nheather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangle Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Thanks for the info. Could you do be a favour? Would you measure the length of the side of the 1:32 swastika? - Measuring along the length of the join for example. I'm expecting it to be around 11-12mm from the guesswork I have done. Many thanks, Nigel Yes, they are 12mm along one of the sides. I hope this helps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 If it helps, according to the info sheet in my Xtradecal 1/72 swastikas decal sheet, Ar196s used a 430mm Hakenkreuz . . . 430 divided by 32 = 13.44 mm Hang on though, just googled Hakenkreuz and that is the red rectangle, white circle, plain black swastika. Hakenkreuz = literally 'hooked cross' Means any swastika. the one shown is just the standard pre-war marking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nheather Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 430 divided by 32 = 13.44 mm Hakenkreuz = literally 'hooked cross' Means any swastika. the one shown is just the standard pre-war marking. I have always assumed that is the length of the side. So the diagonal would be Sqrt (13.44 x 13.44 x 2) = 19mm From what I have seen of archive the diagonal of the swastike fits between the trim tab on the rudder to the rudder hinge. On my model that is no more than 17mm. Cheers, Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nheather Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 Yes, they are 12mm along one of the sides. I hope this helps That would make them around 400mm in full size. And the decal diagonal would be 17mm which is tie up with the measurements I have done on the kit part. Nice to have confirmation - thanks very much. Unfortunately it does mean that the cheap Xtradecal decals won't do and I'll have to go for the more expensive Aeromaster ones. Cheers, Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I've ressurected parts of this thread before it turned into a wanted ad, to include the various reference aspects that were discussed. I have however left the various comments about the legality or otherwise of the Swastika hidden, as they're not relevant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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