stevej60 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Hi folks, ever since joining BM i,ve seen some stunning civil aircraft posted I know there are nowhere near as many as military types posted but I havn,t seen a bad one so fancy a go so two questions: my lms has most of the revell range in stock and the re-released airfix kits(the last airliners I built in the seventies) I thought about Revells A319 in British airways livery as a good simple starter how does it build? and as gloss paint is something I avoid like the plague which gloss airbrushes best as he has stock of most modeling brands.cheers Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stringbag Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Hi Steve. The Revell A319 would be a great place to start although there are a couple of mods required in the interest of accuracy. The old Airfix kits can be turned into excellent models too as shown in some of the builds posted here. Most of the airliner modellers tend to prefer the Halfords primers and Appliance white for the top coat where applicable. Although in aerosol form, these can easily be decanted and used in your airbrush if you prefer. Have a look through the civil section for some outstanding examples and a few pointers as to the pitfalls encountered. Best of luck with the build. Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Steve - Welcome to the dark side! As Chris mentions, for that gloss white finish ( or blue for BA ) rattle cans are the easiest way to go. I must admit though, that I wouldn't recognize an airbrush if I found it in my soup, so rattle cans are all I know. The old Airfix 727s and 737s clean up nicely. For an Airbus 319, besides the Revell kit, Zvezda has just released one where one has the options of extended flaps, and even an open door with a hint of detail inside. Cheers, Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodadriver Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Hi Steve To answer your original question, the only dedicated airliner paints are produced by Hannants in the Xtracolor range. They do Boeing and Airbus greys, BA blue, KLM blue, Aer Lingus greens, various BEA colours and many, many others. The paints are enamel and airbrush beautifully but can take a long time to dry. The biggest problem is the ridiculous postal regulations which prevent "dangerous" good being sent in the ordinary mail and mean that ordering paint by post is expensive. You may know that already and if you're not within reach of Hannants the only answer is to order enough to make the postage worthwhile. Halfords Appliance White is the paint of choice for most airliner modellers nowadays. Although I'm happy to spray Halfords primers straight from the can I almost always decant and airbrush Appliance White and any other gloss colours although plenty of other modellers get great results direct from the can. Vauxhall Regatta Blue is a decent match for the current BA blue although the exact colour is available in Xtracolor if you're happy with enamel. Some people like Ford Dove Grey for Boeing and/or Airbus Grey but it always seems a shade too dark to my eyes and I'll stick to Xtracolor at least until my stock runs out. The Revell A319 is a great little kit although the wing is only correct for the A321 and needs a few small fairings removed and a couple of panel lines filled in. The winglets are under sized and should really be replaced. I hope Mike doesn't mind me pointing out that the Zvezda kit is the A320, not the A319. It can, of course, be converted but with a kit as good as the Revell one readily available and significantly cheaper that wouldn't really make much sense. Here's a link to a thread you may find helpful: http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234925976-revells-baby-airbuses-easy-beginners-kit-or-the-last-thing-you-want/?hl=a319 Welcome to the wonderful world of model airliners 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 . I hope Mike doesn't mind me pointing out that the Zvezda kit is the A320, not the A319. It can, of course, be converted but with a kit as good as the Revell one readily available and significantly cheaper that wouldn't really make much sense. Thanks for catching that - I actually knew that but typing in full flush of trying to be helpful at dawn, before my first coffee - well . . . . Sorry Steve - of course BA flies the 320. Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 BA does fly the A319 as well. As does easyJet! ;-) Welcome to the wonderful world of Airliner Modelling Steve! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Aer Lingus Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Hi Steve Revell A319 is a good choice nice little kit just make sure to remember the wings are for A321 need a little bit of work and your good to go look forward to seeing your example 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevej60 Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) Thanks for the advice Guys,I have a tin of appliance white so thats a start,Popping into shop tomorrow so will try and not walk out with a 747 but stick with the Airbus as I really do like the livery,I will do a WIP so hope you can help with those corrections! Edited September 25, 2014 by stevej60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevej60 Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 Hi folks,got the Revell 319 and 320 (20% off at my lms) so doing a wip on the Lufthansa A320 first to get one under my belt as it has a slightly simpler scheme so any tips or pitfalls let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodadriver Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 (edited) No particular pitfalls except that once again the wing needs to be corrected and, ideally, the winglets replaced. Opinions differ about whether it's best to install the nosewheel leg when assembling the fuselage halves or leave it off until after painting. Personally I always do it at the joining stage and the only time in 20-odd models I've ever broken one was when I dropped the model on a concrete floor! The moulds are starting to get tired and you'll probably find a bit of flash to be removed and some sink holes to be filled but nothing show-stopping. The only other point is that there is an error on the decal sheet which gives the over-wing exit markings (decals 97 and 98) in red. Although most A320s do have red markings Lufthansa aircraft are an exception and they should be black. Unless you can source black markings from somewhere or you possess exceptional overpainting skills you'll probably have to live with it. Edited September 25, 2014 by Skodadriver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevej60 Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 Thanks for that,I,ve just been cleaning up the major components prior to washing them, I did remove a bit of flash and a dry run showed a not so good top fuselage join which will need a bit of work helped by removing the locating pins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevej60 Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 Another question guys,the A319 has two choices of engines in the kit which type is right for the BA version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessica Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Available photos show that British Airways -319s use the V-2500 engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevej60 Posted September 26, 2014 Author Share Posted September 26, 2014 Available photos show that British Airways -319s use the V-2500 engine. Thanks for the info Jessica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richie894 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I just built this exact model and did a WIP. This was also my first civil airliner. There were several times where it was going to get thrown in the bin. But I stuck with it and it looks good on the shelf. I just started an A320 Swiss. It is way easier, being all white fuselage. My advice would be to leave the winglets and little pieces off until very end. As they can easily get broken off and lost. As did with mine. I had to buy a second kit to get some replacement parts and replace a broken decal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevej60 Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 I just built this exact model and did a WIP. This was also my first civil airliner. There were several times where it was going to get thrown in the bin. But I stuck with it and it looks good on the shelf. I just started an A320 Swiss. It is way easier, being all white fuselage. My advice would be to leave the winglets and little pieces off until very end. As they can easily get broken off and lost. As did with mine. I had to buy a second kit to get some replacement parts and replace a broken decal. Thanks,I cut of all the lumps and bumps especially on the upper fuselage as it was a terrible fit and needed filling and sanding I,ll add them before the gloss goes on quite enjoying this airliner lark! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevej60 Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 Remember the scene in Father Ted when Dougal could,nt resist pressing the "do not press" button in the cockpit?Well popped into my LMS for a bottle of gloss white yesterday and came out with Revells Lufthansa 747-400! Oh dear I wish I had asked you guys about it first,some lovely panel lines but I,ve seen vac-forms with less flash! cut the major components off the sprue this morning and there are going to be some challenges when I get round to it.Anyone built it and still of sound mind? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I think that you are in for a very "interesting" build, it may be worth your while seeking out the build blog for this kit on the ARC forums. Bryan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodadriver Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) Remember the scene in Father Ted when Dougal could,nt resist pressing the "do not press" button in the cockpit?Well popped into my LMS for a bottle of gloss white yesterday and came out with Revells Lufthansa 747-400! Yes, that sort of thing does happen. A former colleague of mine once went out to buy a cauliflower and came back with a new car. (She was blonde, both literally and figuratively). The Revell 744 has shape issues around the cockpit and I believe the wing incidence is wrong which means that the engines tend to hang a bit too low. Despite these problems it can be turned into a stunning model as this thread shows: http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234965005-boeing-747-443-virgin-atlantic/?hl=%2Bboeing+%2B747 Edit Just came across this which might also interest you: http://airlinercafe.com/photosearch.php?phgid=1611 Edited October 1, 2014 by Skodadriver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisky Papa Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) Another question guys,the A319 has two choices of engines in the kit which type is right for the BA version? I usually check on http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/index.php for things like that: Just type your desired registration into the search field, proceed, then click on the c/n and you get the necessary data. I just built this exact model and did a WIP. This was also my first civil airliner. There were several times where it was going to get thrown in the bin. But I stuck with it and it looks good on the shelf. I just started an A320 Swiss. It is way easier, being all white fuselage. My advice would be to leave the winglets and little pieces off until very end. As they can easily get broken off and lost. As did with mine. I had to buy a second kit to get some replacement parts and replace a broken decal. You don't always have to buy a second kit to satisfy that carpet monster. Revell's Department-X is really helpful: [email protected] Edited October 2, 2014 by Whisky Papa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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