Paul J Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Heres a BOAC one post war. It shows cargo door just about! Funny thing is I flew in this one at Greenham Common in 1974 and was in Air Anglia colours. And note the over engine cowl intakes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Somebody did a small door resin fuselage insert for the Italeri kit - I have one somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 As a follow up to the pic of 'GJV above I have come across more pics of 'JV in the Air Anglia colours taken at Greenham 1974. Differences to the airframe I noticed were the addition of undercart doors and the removal of those intakes over the engines! But also as I mentioned a few posts ago, the ESCI kit hat an insert to the door area to make ther kit as a passenger only one and the cabin seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessica Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Those elongated "intakes" are likely dust filters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Russell Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Somebody did a small door resin fuselage insert for the Italeri kit - I have one somewhere. https://www.redroomodels.com/conversions/douglas-dc-3-passenger-door/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Puff Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Didn't some original pre-war DC-3s have Wright Cyclones? Many of them did. The DC-3 was designed around the Cyclone and early production aircraft had the Cyclone as standard; the Twin Wasp was offered as an option. The Cyclone, as a single-row nine cylinder engine, had a larger diameter than the twin-row fourteen cylinder Twin Wasp, which is why the Twin Wasp cowling is a bit longer and tapers slightly towards the front. The firewall was the same diameter regardless of the engine fitted. Post war, I know that most of Australian National Airways' ex-RAAF C-47s were re-engined with ex-Lodestar Cyclones (said to be RAAF surplus, but that hasn't been confirmed to my knowlege) because Ivan Holyman "did a deal" and was able to sell off the Twin Wasps thus liberated for a profit. This cowl is distinctly different from the pre-war Cyclone cowl. Hopefully a resin edition in both 1:72 and 1:48 will shortly be available (as soon as I've had my 2D drawings converted to 3D so that masters can be prepared). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heloman1 Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Magnificent John, I do like the natural metal finish, conratulations. Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcanicity Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Question is though, what are Airfix going to do about the interior structural detail on the C-47 kit? Look at any cabin shot of a post-war "civilianised" C-47 and you'll see acres of smooth panelling on the walls hiding all the ribs and stringers which Airfix so faithfully reproduced on the C-47 kit. I'm doing a Dan-Air conversion of the C-47 boxing at the moment, and have had to line the fuselage with plasticard and filler to cover up the structural details... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caution Wake Turbulence Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Hello, Any hints of an ETA for this kit? Ta, Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty_hopkirk Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Question is though, what are Airfix going to do about the interior structural detail on the C-47 kit? Look at any cabin shot of a post-war "civilianised" C-47 and you'll see acres of smooth panelling on the walls hiding all the ribs and stringers which Airfix so faithfully reproduced on the C-47 kit. I'm doing a Dan-Air conversion of the C-47 boxing at the moment, and have had to line the fuselage with plasticard and filler to cover up the structural details... I would guess they will dodge this bullet by making it a civvy freighter. Marty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vingtor Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 According to my research, wartime BOAC Dakotas were stock C-47s, with a large cargo door and no sound-proof lining or décor of any kind, but with fairly comfortable 1940s-style airline seats in place of the side-facing bench seating of military Dakotas. Long-range fuel tanks were installed in the forward passenger cabin of some aircraft while the rear of the cabin was for freight, with no seats. Nils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelldoc Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 A question about the old Airfix kit for the G-AJIC BEA Northold 1950: I found that was an C-47A-30DL Dakota III, but on the instructions you see, need a seven window and a small door. I'm not sure about that, pictures shown, I think so, a big door. Unfortunately no pics from the left side, so six or seven windows, what is right? modelldoc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garryrussell Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 The extra windows and small door probably came about when it was converted into a Pionair. Before that it would have been double door at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 According to my research, wartime BOAC Dakotas were stock C-47s, with a large cargo door and no sound-proof lining or décor of any kind, but with fairly comfortable 1940s-style airline seats in place of the side-facing bench seating of military Dakotas. Long-range fuel tanks were installed in the forward passenger cabin of some aircraft while the rear of the cabin was for freight, with no seats. Nils I flew in an Air Atlantigue one at North Weald airshow back in 1986. That one was devoid of any cladding to the interior. Just framework and green paint with passenger seats. G-AMSV I think it was. I recall looking out the window on the 20 minute flight and noticed rivets and fasteners at rear of nacelles vibrating!!! Nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelldoc Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Have you seen this http://www.airfix.com/news/airfix-sea-day-2014/ modelldoc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Puff Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 At least I should be over the house move by then ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coors54 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I'm with most of you in thinking that most post war UK reg Dakotas were converted C-47's. I worked for Air Atlantique for a few years and all of theirs were C-47's, the civil conversions were done by Scottish Aviation at Prestwick and entailed removing the radio operator/navigators stations behind the cockpit, adding an extra window in that area either side, this put in two extra rows of seats if I remember correctly, adding the undercarriage doors (laughably called Speed Doors in the IPC), fitting the broad prop blades (if not already fitted, the CAA didn't like the needle props for some reason), fitting out the cabin with liners and seating, including a primitive galley and stewards position at the rear of the cabin. A quick visual identity of ex military airframes is the lack of a tail cone for glider towing although this is not conclusive. AA's aircraft were all stripped of any cabin liners as the seats were only fitted for pleasure flying sorties, and what a pain they were to fit and remove. The rest of the time they were bare for ad hoc cargo work or fitted out for oil pollution control work. I can confirm that it is quite normal for the rivets in the cowlings to vibrate and revolve! Happy days, and I can feel a model of my favourite G-AMPY coming on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalea Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Thanks, Coors54 I've been wondering about those windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billydick Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Can remember the Air Atlantique Daks flying into Ronaldsway with the daily newspapers ..... BillyD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coors54 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) I never went to Ronaldsway but did go to Cardiff with the mail once in PZ when she was in Transport Command colours. The loader helping us said he hadn't realised the RAF still operated Daks..........! Edited January 19, 2015 by Coors54 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garryrussell Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 On the subject of G-AMPY, Intra leased G-AKNB for a film and flew it at weekends an other downtimes in RAF camo with taped on reg. Something you don't forget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coors54 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 All, Thought you might be interested in some pictures that I got when Atlantique sold PZ to a German operator (Air Service Berlin) from Templehof airport. They wanted a genuine Airlift veteran to offer pleasure flights over Berlin in and they bought PZ and refurbished her, putting in an all new interior and giving her a coat of Mercedes silver. This was in 2001 and they operated her successfully until she had engine failure in 2010 and crashed. Fortunately no one was killed but she was a write off. So here she is after arriving in front of that terminal building. Those doors we have been debating. The tail cone and a good shot of the skin ripples and panel lines. More rivets and look at that wing joint flange! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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