DIO Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Sorry, but this does not look like Tamiya. Not the Tamiya we are used to. Compare this to their 1/32 zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas V. Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 It truely does not, I expected large slide molded parts, extreme guality of details and clever breakdown of parts- this would have been considered underdetailed two decades ago let alone in 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat911 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 (edited) It truely does not, I expected large slide molded parts, extreme guality of details and clever breakdown of parts- this would have been considered underdetailed two decades ago let alone in 2016. Huh? From the last batch of photos, it is obvious that the main fuselage part and intakes are molded using slide-molds. No more vague detail on the engine bay panels and fiddly separate gear bay parts ala Hasegawa. What exactly do you mean when you say the kit is under-detailed? What features would you expect to be included? From what we've seen so far, it looks like the kit is on par with Tamiya's own F-16C range in terms of quality and that F-16 kit is still considered to be the best in the market. Mark Edited June 28, 2016 by madcat911 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas V. Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 (edited) Fair enough, but by todays standard even F-16 is a bit outdated ( none the less its still very good kit do not get me wrong ), Firstly I would expect to see every rivet, fastener etc...surface treatment compared to their 1/32 kits, taking into account truely superb toolings from GWH and AMK as benchmarks what modern 1/48 tooling should look like.... Edited June 28, 2016 by Thomas V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveJL Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Personally i think the mouldings, from the pictures anyway, look spot on and as mentioned above and elsewhere, if this is anything like their F-16 kit, it will be great. As i'm sure will AMK's D model when it arrives. I'll be having several of each no doubt. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIO Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 No moving surfaces? At all? Seriously? Their wing has A LOT to show off! They might be heading for the a simple, easy to build kits, but if this means simplifying and eliminating detail and options provided, then sorry but not good enough for me. Hobby Boss is a fair enough alternative to that direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat911 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 No moving surfaces? At all? Seriously? Their wing has A LOT to show off! They might be heading for the a simple, easy to build kits, but if this means simplifying and eliminating detail and options provided, then sorry but not good enough for me. Hobby Boss is a fair enough alternative to that direction. Ok. Noted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 ooowwww that looks a bit good! Can't wait for this one to come out now! The tomcat has some very different shapes to it, not your usual fuselage with wings, so it was always going to be an 'interesting' parts breakdown! I like the idea of the separate intake lip, that's a nice touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbolt Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Fair enough, but by todays standard even F-16 is a bit outdated ( none the less its still very good kit do not get me wrong ), Firstly I would expect to see every rivet, fastener etc...surface treatment compared to their 1/32 kits, taking into account truely superb toolings from GWH and AMK as benchmarks what modern 1/48 tooling should look like.... Modern tooling doesn't mean we have to have rivets -not everyone wants them in 1/48th scale and thankfully Tamiya keep rivets to 1/32nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas V. Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 It does for me, I cannot understand rivets in 1/72 scale kits, but in 1/48 scale should be present. Of course if they are done right like Eduard, not like Trumpeter/HB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 No moving surfaces? At all? Seriously? Their wing has A LOT to show off.. Why? 99% of Tomcats on the ground are parked with moving surfaces locked up, exactly as Tamiya has moulded the kit. So they are catering for that rather than the 1% undergoing maintenance. I applaud them for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) Modern tooling doesn't mean we have to have rivets -not everyone wants them in 1/48th scale and thankfully Tamiya keep rivets to 1/32nd. Yes. I believe that a modern tooling is one where the surface detailing is sharp and regular on all curved areas of big parts: in the Tamiya F-14, edge of wing gloves or area along engine fairings and rest of fuselage junction. Also the raised/recessed surface detailing is perpendicular to the surface, not angled. For example, if 3-axis CNC is used and rivet details are represented, rivets closer to the edges will be elliptical unless inserts are used. Edited June 29, 2016 by Laurent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIO Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) Why? 99% of Tomcats on the ground are parked with moving surfaces locked up, exactly as Tamiya has moulded the kit. So they are catering for that rather than the 1% undergoing maintenance. I applaud them for that The fact that most of their time on earth have all panels and the hood closed means absolutely nothing for someone that wants to build a high detailed kit. If all the companies follow this example then we return years back. I hope this is not the case for Tamiya. Her 1/32 zero made us so happy. Imagine the same kit with no detailed engine (just a nicely looking cap) and no dials (just a nicely done decal) and so on. No gens. From Tamiya I expect much more than a good fit when all parts are glued in the closed position. After all this is 1/48 we are discussing about, not 1/144!!! Edited June 30, 2016 by DIO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbeach84 Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Does this mean we've run out of truly new subjects for kitting? Would rather be very happy to see some of the 'Formula One of the air' birds produced in 1/48 scale rather than another Tomcat. Granted, we may be assured that Tamiya may well produce the most build-able & accurate F-14 to date. Was hoping for something more 'cutting edge'... modern armor in 1/48 scale even (please!) Regards, Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) AMK's undirect answer to Tamiya. But for the moment and contrary to the Tamiya kit, the AMK's 1/48th F-14 is just a project/announcement and a lot of buzz. Source: https://www.facebook.com/avantgardemodelkits/ Avantgarde Model Kits Two types of wings. One fully closed one with option of slats open. V.P. Edited June 30, 2016 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) Does this mean we've run out of truly new subjects for kitting? Would rather be very happy to see some of the 'Formula One of the air' birds produced in 1/48 scale rather than another Tomcat. Granted, we may be assured that Tamiya may well produce the most build-able & accurate F-14 to date. Was hoping for something more 'cutting edge'... modern armor in 1/48 scale even (please!) Try to put yourself in producer's shoes. Let's say that a high-end 1/48 Percival Provost would cost 30kUSD to tool and that retail price is set to 30USD. Producer gets something like 8USD once shops and distributors get their slice of cake. This means that 3800 kits would have to be sold to cover the investments. Would a 1/48 Percival Provost sell 3800 in one year or even two years ? I strongly doubt it. 1500 perhaps. If the producer doesn't have other products that have reached breakeven to finance further projects, he'll be stuck with his Provost for years. I believe that producers do such kind of calculations and that this explains the "kit redundancy". Edited June 30, 2016 by Laurent 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Does this mean we've run out of truly new subjects for kitting? Would rather be very happy to see some of the 'Formula One of the air' birds produced in 1/48 scale rather than another Tomcat. Granted, we may be assured that Tamiya may well produce the most build-able & accurate F-14 to date. Was hoping for something more 'cutting edge'... modern armor in 1/48 scale even (please!) Regards, Robert To add to Laurent's comment, we should also keep in mind that Tamiya has rarely really been the most adventurous manufacturer when it came to choose aircraft subjects. Most of their catalogue consists of "classics", well known subjects that are guaranteed to sell. The Tomcat is one such subject. For more unusual subjects, the various short run companies from Central Europe or the new wave of Chinese manufacturers are your best bet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 The fact that most of their time on earth have all panels and the hood closed means absolutely nothing for someone that wants to build a high detailed kit. If all the companies follow this example then we return years back. I hope this is not the case for Tamiya. Her 1/32 zero made us so happy. Imagine the same kit with no detailed engine (just a nicely looking cap) and no dials (just a nicely done decal) and so on. No gens. From Tamiya I expect much more than a good fit when all parts are glued in the closed position. After all this is 1/48 we are discussing about, not 1/144!!! You know, I think that's the first time I've ever heard a plea for a manufacturer to cater for those who want to produce inaccurate models! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 The fact that most of their time on earth have all panels and the hood closed means absolutely nothing for someone that wants to build a high detailed kit. If all the companies follow this example then we return years back. I hope this is not the case for Tamiya. Her 1/32 zero made us so happy. Imagine the same kit with no detailed engine (just a nicely looking cap) and no dials (just a nicely done decal) and so on. No gens. From Tamiya I expect much more than a good fit when all parts are glued in the closed position. After all this is 1/48 we are discussing about, not 1/144!!! Profoundly disagree! I would much rather have a basic (and cheaper) kit to which I can then decide what extra detail to add rather than an all singing all dancing one where most parts are hidden or consigned to the spares bin. Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robvd Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 I toatly agree with Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arniec Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 I know I want one. Cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat911 Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 The fact that most of their time on earth have all panels and the hood closed means absolutely nothing for someone that wants to build a high detailed kit. If all the companies follow this example then we return years back. I hope this is not the case for Tamiya. Her 1/32 zero made us so happy. Imagine the same kit with no detailed engine (just a nicely looking cap) and no dials (just a nicely done decal) and so on. No gens. From Tamiya I expect much more than a good fit when all parts are glued in the closed position. After all this is 1/48 we are discussing about, not 1/144!!! Ok. Noted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat911 Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) Some new info. Seems they did a 180 with regard to the exclusion of weapons. Tamiya Thursday Tomcat News: * Weapons will be included, 4x AIM-9, 4x AIM-7, and 4x AIM-54. * IRIAF markings to be included, with markings from VF-84 and VF-2. * Parts for the IFR (In-Flight Refueling) probe and bay will be included. * Pricing is set and to be announced. Source: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=292870&pid=2811988&st=400entry2811988 Mark Edited June 30, 2016 by madcat911 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveJL Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Nice! I've plenty of aftermarket decals to use up too. Nice choice of schemes from Tamiya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4u Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Agreed nice choice of colours is it going to be under 50 quid though ?? Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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